Should Pantsir be nerf?

You’re contradicting yourself again.

Can you or can you not ignore the SPAA to fight Air targets?

We’re talking about supersonic jets here Motorola. These aircraft fly supersonic. They’ll have already moved out of their spawn seconds after they’ve spawned.

Looking around occasionally is not enough to prevent what you think it will.

Motorola, I don’t want to be that kind of person, but you don’t exactly have the experience to say this. I will refrain from showing your stat card because I believe stat shaming is bad, but I also believe you should have experience before claiming this.

Once again, the statement above is sufficient to say you know you’re lying. I will openly show my CAS record as proof that I speak from experience. Feel free to show yours if you’re confident in this statement. I will not do it for you despite knowing the truth.

RWR doesn’t work on everything and isn’t reliable at all angles and scrolling through a kill feed can often be a death sentence.

What does a jet being a brick matter when it can dump almost undetectable missiles from outside all SPAA ranges reliably with near 100 percent kill certainty?

Not only that, but the Su-34 is hardly a brick. It might be fat, but it’s still very mobile.

Su-34 probably will get speed nerf.

Maybe, but calling the thing bad in its current state or a “brick” is a horrific take lol

Here more info if you want:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/WvJFQLAM1bEd

Russian equipment always overperforming compared to its real counterparts haha.



Just look at this nonsense my T-90M did the other day lol

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Not rly. For example 23MLD significantly underperforming.

In what way? The Mig-23 wasn’t exactly known for its reliability or weapon functionality.

Missing armament as R-73 and important radar functions:

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/r0milhEEy3RU

and thats one from many more.

Are you prepared to receive the BR increase which would come with better missiles?

Yes. To BR 12.3 estimated to sim.

Higher.

It would be pretty similar to MiG-21bison or Mirage 2000 C-S4 which are on BR 12.3.

There is a very large difference in flight performance between the Mig-23 and the Mig-21 and F-4E. It would not sit at 12.3

So your post is claiming that T-90Ms spalling and blowing up in War Thunder is over-performing…
All those shots are identical to what happens to all tanks in War Thunder.

Complaining about the great Kurnass 2000 is admitting skill issue.
Kurnass 2000 is the definition of what a 12.3 should be. It’s not its fault some aircraft are under-BR’d.

However, this is factual. Extremely factual.

But worse avionics compared to 21bison and Mirage 2000.

I have to disagree there. I’ve played the Mig-23 and it is leagues better than the Mig-21 in performance. That’s why it sits higher in BR usually.

In most cases yes.

Judging by your hilariously small FoV, are you by any chance a R-73 that got the ability to talk ?
Our camera has pretty large FoV, so you aren’t blind to anything that moved slightly from their spawn.

For some things you don’t need any experience to observe the truth. Your plane has access to the ground map, it sees the pings/scouts and often times have really good zoom with thermals. Then you just need to lock and fire, with FnF nature of the missiles doing all other work.

This is the same thing as claiming that Ariete can be lolpen by the DM53, you don’t need any experience to claim that.

Just because you’re narrow minded doesn’t mean I’m lying, that’s a wild assumption.
You need to realize every engagement has two sides, in this case CAS vs AA. I’ve used plenty of AAs and do speak from experience of how easily a plane can defeat your missile by breaking LoS on our current maps.

If you’re personally attacking someone to disprove their claims, at least do it properly next time.

RWR does work for many angles and it takes you just a couple of seconds after you die to respawn in a plane, so having an eye on kill feed at all times isn’t something hard.

Because it can meet enemy air units ?
It might be a glitch in my game, but I regularly see non-RU planes up.

It’s definitely a brick when compared to other options it will frequently see.

You mean a plane that is getting carried hard by it’s KHs ?

Don’t confuse the MiG-21bis with the Bison.

K2k is a$$ rn
It shouldnt be 12.3 without radar missiles
F16a is far better on the same br also f4j with aim7 on 12.0 so wth?

“This under-BR’d jet is 12.3.”
Then move it to 12.7.
F-4J is inferior to Kurnass 2000 in every way. Worse RWR, worse countermeasures, worse missiles.