Should Leopard 2A4 get DM33?

with the 2A4? what’s the relevance ? 1.4 just about with it?

i have literally no idea what you are trying to say here. Maybe take a minute and compose yourself and write something which is coherent.

If you’d read above, others we’re ragging on the M1 KVT as if it’s a bad tank, dude saying he constantly loses in it as well as it’s an 80 percent loss rate. So a 20 percent win rate.
Which is total bogus lol.

Also the leopards are / have been some of the best MBTs in the game for a very long time maintaining a decent KD with thems not really something to shout about. it should be the basic.
A 1.4KD with a 2A4 actually is on the low side, but in comparisson with many it’s above average.

yes! it had it when it was at 10.3, the other nations get higher pening darts at 10.7 but the 2a4 was left forgotten.

???

The event 2AV has DM33 at 10.3, but that is 105mm DM33 and not 120mm DM33.

The 2A4 is fine at 10.7 with DM23, receiving DM33 should mean an increase to 11.0.

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Players should be thankful they can pen more than 400mm at point blank as it’s completely adequate to deal with peer threats. Now picture M774 and you’ll see the 2A4 does not need a better round.

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While i ageee the m1 could get m833 , it still performs fantastic with the 774 so its not entirely suffering.

They both have the issue, leopard more than abrams if they get the next round, m833 or dm33 it could see a BR increase.

Well leopard it 100 percent qould.

Abrams would depend on how it performs

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20mm of pen doesn’t warrant a BR increase. It’ll still struggle with any real amount of armor on vehicles it faces.

That is up to how it performs hence why I said that.

Because the leopards are just generally better tanks and this is one of their only few downsides

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Because 2A4 is still the best 10.7 MBT? why would it be buffed?

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Since BMPT’s has been increased in br to 11.7 then 10.7 players on nato’s side are getting full uptiers to butt whooping by BMPT’s like an leopard2a4 as an example it can barely kill terminators from the side or anywhere with the DM23 since the nerf of it.
Leopard 2a4 could have DM33 because it pens less at a higher br than some 105mm cannon using tanks like leopard 1a5 for example.



I visited Finland’s parola tank museum and i went to try the leopard 2a4 gunner training simulator
there you were able to see what type of ammo you was using againts enemy tanks what you was shooting at and there i saw DM33 for leopard2a4.

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So in my opinion Leopard2a4 should get DM33 as a balance.

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And give the brams m833

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+1

It also faces dm53 in a full uptier or 3bm60.






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Yeah top tier needs a bump to 13.7

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2a4 is already in running for the best 10.7 mbt, if you buff it, there would be large power creep issues.

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Well, top tier decomp would help as would moving BMPT to 12.0 after the top tanks killing it got bumped up. It really shouldn’t be facing 10.7 tanks that can’t reliably deal with it.

yes it is really good at 10.7 but it barely can do much anything againts uptier vehicles

Ammunition is a matter of balance, if Gaijin feel like Leopard 2A4 should have or not, it’s up to developers to add it. Naturally this would make one of the highest penetrating main battle tank of its battle rating (using numbers taken out from the Leopard 2A5) and also naturally having its battle rating increased. A lot of tanks “require” or better off—have access to better penetrators in real life, in-game is based of need or not.

It can face that in a downtier too. 2S25M has it.

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That would move the Leo2A4 to 11.0+

Just move the terminators to 12.0 or higher, where they should be

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