It would be not be even top 5 pen at 10.7 ±1br with dm33. and the reason why gaijin nerfed dm23 was it over performing because of the players that play it. If it would be too op using dm33. How would you fix 10.7 ±1br.
If we filter out light vehicles and anti-air vehicles and only include the main battle tanks and M10 Booker* this list of highest penetration with the best penetrator at 10 m and 0° attack angle would be:
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Object 292 with 698 mm of penetration at 10 m in a 0° angle of attack in first place,
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M10 Booker at second place with 522 mm of penetration at 10 m in a 0° angle of attack,
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T-72M2 Moderna at third place with 509 mm of penetration at 10 m in a 0° angle of attack,
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Leopard 2A4 (and variants) and Ariete (P) with 481 mm of penetration at 10 m in a 0° angle of attack,
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Challenger 2 Mk.3 (and variations) and Vickers Mk.7 in fifth place with 471 mm of penetration at 10 m in a 0° angle of attack,
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T-80B, T-80UD and T-90S Bhishma TWMP at sixth place with 457 mm of penetration at 10 m in a 0° angle of attack.
And given the Leopard 2A4 balanced armor for mobility, definitely would have its battle rating increased, not instantly but at the long term. And undoubtely would be a negative thing to have the possibility to face better higher battle rating vehicles or remove a crucial vehicle out of line-up, that’s what happened with the Leclerc MSC which was supposed to be a “French Leopard 2” which had its battle rating increased a few months after its initial release, which was supposed to sit at battle rating 10.7. Definitely not fifth place, but fourth place if DM33 penetrator is added. Obviously it won’t be the same thing if we include the whole battle rating 10.7 range (battle rating 9.7 to battle rating 11.7) since vehicles above the battle rating 10.7 would naturally have better penetrators.
* list of vehicles at battle rating 10.7 for consultation
M1 Abrams
M1 Abrams KVT
T-80B
T-80UD
Object 292
T-72M2 Moderna
Leopard 2A4
Leopard 2A4 (PzBtl 123)
Vickers Mk.7
Challenger Mk.3
Challenger DS
T-90S Bhishma TWMP
Ariete (P)
Leopard 2A4 (Hungary)
Leopard 2A4 (OTCo)
Leopard 2A4 (Netherlands)
Strv 121
Strv 121 Christian II
Leopard 2A4 (Finland)
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Just a small reminder that t90s some have 3bm60. And I used 11.0 and 10.7 mainly for the readon that they face almost every match when I tested the br.
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Leopard 2A4 - T-80B - M1 Abrams - Challenger Mk.3 is one of the most balanced match-ups at higher tiers.
Of course, the fans of any of these nations usually comes up with a post like this one, and it’s always an equally bad idea.
The Leopard 2A4 doesn’t suffer any more than any other 10.7’s when uptiered. Comparing a vehicle purely against vehicles a full BR above them is also nonsensical as you can make anything seem to struggle like that.
The Leopard 2A4 should not receive DM33 any more than an M1 should receive M833, T-80B should receive 3BM-46 or Challenger Mk.3 should receive L27.
Instead there should be a separate Leopard 2A4 from the later production batches with C technologie armour and DM33, preferably at 11.3 as a IPM1 counterpart.
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T-90S Bhishma TWMP doesn’t have 3BM60:
And I’ve considered the battle rating 10.7 range, which I was going to include in the original post acknowledging better vehicles but that’s only on higher battle rating, Leopard 2A4 would still sit as the fourth most penetrating vehicle at its battle rating but for sake of myself writing a excessively long post.
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Finnish_death meant more likely T90A what is almost in every match with leopard2a4’s
Just keep moving up the BMPT or make it so that you can kill it consistently through the 30mm ammo belts.
But the thing is, the T-90A is 11.0, and it sacrifices a lot of things to have 3BM60 and its good armour.
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it doesnt sacrifie much anything with good ammo and armor its a hella of a beast
It sacrifices a whole lot. Absolutely garbage mobility, non-existent gun depression, garbage gun handling and a really shitty reload.
T-90A is hardly a beast.
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List of DOOM
Wallahi a tiger 2 has better armor than a ariete
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Exactly.
T-90A is good for 11.0 but it isn’t anything crazy. Maybe if it was 10.7 😅
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Pros:
- Hull armour.
- Turret armour.
- Penetration.
- 2nd gen thermals.
- ESS.
- LWR.
Cons:
- Poor acceleration.
- Poor top speed.
- No neutral steering.
- Atrocious reverse steering.
- Atrocious reverse.
- Poor reload rate.
- Atrocious gun depression.
- Extremely slow gun vertical traverse speed.
- Slow turret traverse speed.
- Poor ammunition placement.
- Only 3 crew.
- Poor side armour (coverage of ERA).
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it can do more than 90% of 10.7, just FYI I use the 2a4 as a backup at TOP TIER and still do decent in it as far as a backup is concerned