Shenyang J-11, J-16, J-15, History, Performance & Discussion

It sits in a kind of limbo, that is true.

It has worse FM compared to basically every other 14.7, especially the eurocanards.

The radar is ESA which is good, probably slightly worse than the RB2E, and the Captor E and IRBIS are straight up better.

The missile amout and type is a stronger point already, the PL-12A is not a Mica nor an R77-1, and it doesn’t have a longer booster like the 77-1 brought to the table. On the other hand though it is effectively better than the amraam’s that the Eurofighters are slinging.

Defensive suite, like mentioned before, is quite lacking, unless some meaningful changes come.(obviously talking about flares/chaff here)
It has MAW which can help at defending against ARH, no spherical RWR which is not the end of the world.

14.7 material? Not exactly. 14.3? Might be a little too much for it imo.

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Problem is since its a classified missile and still doesn’t have any published numbers Gaijin doesnt wanna change any values on it.

They don’t want to see any classified information yet they know it’s the only way to get access to exact performance values.

the spherical RWR is a problem if you want to use the meme power of upwards facing radar for memes.

It gets 26km HMD which is kinda nasty

I noticed that, it can be quite handy indeed.

To be noted that I was strictly talking about the missile performance in WT here.

Can’t really speak about what the Aim-120D is capable of doing IRL.

What I’m sure of is that the devs have been reluctant while modelling the later variants of this missile. It actually seems like they don’t belive they are upgrades.

Like rockets, standard S8 rocket pods, but when you fire them in a set distance they explode and release a ton of chaff. Should in theory be large CM equivalent. Although how effective it is is questionable it might be fun.

Not for D significantly over the C-5, the issue is the C-5 didn’t get one. My guess was that it was initially meant to be a pretty much OP missile but on F-18, so to make up for crap airframe, but then once it is on every other plane it will be OP, so nerfed back. There needs to be considerations for where the next steps lie, since new jets and new missiles may be balancing nightmare.

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oh never heard of it before, i know about the time fise for head on but never this.

also sadly your limited to 2 or 4.

Yeah, but they are S-8.

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oh…

they have time fuse ?

Not sure how they work, might look it up. Think that’s surely the only way they will work right? otherwise how do they detonate.

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we dont have them in game. will check later

Will be fun u just start throwing chaff in a head on. ARH missiles are gonna be so messed up.

We play an arcade game where F-16’s can recover in a quarter turn from 90+ degree AoA cartwheels, this has never been about getting valid sources.

If the AMRAAM series performed as it does IRL, the MICA would not have much of an advantage in HOBS scenarios. It would be king of air to air missiles without competition.

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considering AIM-120’s relatively smaller fin, If other factors like speed not considered, it should be less maneuverable. IRL condition isn’t like warthunder, much farther combat range and less mobility planes, smaller fins for longer range is better.
not saying it can’t be more maneuverable irl, with more updated flight control program, it can be more maneuverable

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Yet they use this excuse not to change values on AMRAAM.

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Where are C701 and C704? Gaijin clearly already has the model

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Never give up large-aperture CMs, because they are 5 to 10 times more powerful than CMs or small CMs. If you’re playing as a country other than China or the Soviet Union, you should intuitively understand this.
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It’s natural that Large CM*48 is tough, but I feel like we’ll sink deeper into the mud if we get fooled by short-term numbers and lose the large caliber. And this is the advantage I like about the J-10C.

96 small countermeasure number where does that come from as J11B has 96 large ? if there swapping it they could just give it the one from the J11B

To pack a large amount of items into a small space, you have no choice but to make them smaller.


People just talking about Russian patent that allows to change large calibre launchers for the small calibre ones.
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Problem is that this is for the modern cassetes that are only used on Su-30SM/2 and Su-35
J-15T and Su-33 use older 3-round launchers

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