Shenyang J-11, J-16, J-15, History, Performance & Discussion

Longer battery life, no launch gimbal limit and adjustments for improved range (120km).

No gimbal limits, so it can pull off this stuff when launched in track-mem:

Unlike Aim-120D’s, the PL-12A has enough pull to make this feature a viable tactic.

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So would you agree that it is 14.7 worthy even with 48 cms, also, any news about the potential for it to be turned into 96 small ones?

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I basically like everything about this jet, but not the 48 cm amount, that is WAY too low, especially for 14.7 which is 300 missiles mess at the same time.

I hope the devs have been looking into the possibility of changing the countermeasures into small caliber, like you said, it would be already a step in the right direction.

Apart from that, the missile count, radar and FM are good enough imo.

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i heard they have been looking into buffing it artificially

May I ask where this has been stated?

On stream they were looking at if the countermeasure banks were the same size on different planes so you could swap them out

BVVD in the stream explicitly said they were looking into it, especially the chaff count, like 48 large to say 96 small.

I feel like against the 14.3, it is a large side grade, plus a few small upgrades, but since most 14.3 got buffed I don’t really see the lack of competition there, instead 14.7 is quite tough, compared to even the most comparable, the Su30SM2 it is worse in just about every way possible.

thank you i cant remeber where i heard it

Thanks, totally missed this part.

There is irony here, since the AIM-120D should be far more maneuverable than any PL-12 variant thus far. AIM-120D is also confirmed to have high angle off-boresight capability.

The only missiles the Chinese flankers have access to with HOBS capability is the R-73 currently, and in the future maybe the PL-10.

It sits in a kind of limbo, that is true.

It has worse FM compared to basically every other 14.7, especially the eurocanards.

The radar is ESA which is good, probably slightly worse than the RB2E, and the Captor E and IRBIS are straight up better.

The missile amout and type is a stronger point already, the PL-12A is not a Mica nor an R77-1, and it doesn’t have a longer booster like the 77-1 brought to the table. On the other hand though it is effectively better than the amraam’s that the Eurofighters are slinging.

Defensive suite, like mentioned before, is quite lacking, unless some meaningful changes come.(obviously talking about flares/chaff here)
It has MAW which can help at defending against ARH, no spherical RWR which is not the end of the world.

14.7 material? Not exactly. 14.3? Might be a little too much for it imo.

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Problem is since its a classified missile and still doesn’t have any published numbers Gaijin doesnt wanna change any values on it.

They don’t want to see any classified information yet they know it’s the only way to get access to exact performance values.

the spherical RWR is a problem if you want to use the meme power of upwards facing radar for memes.

It gets 26km HMD which is kinda nasty

I noticed that, it can be quite handy indeed.

To be noted that I was strictly talking about the missile performance in WT here.

Can’t really speak about what the Aim-120D is capable of doing IRL.

What I’m sure of is that the devs have been reluctant while modelling the later variants of this missile. It actually seems like they don’t belive they are upgrades.

Like rockets, standard S8 rocket pods, but when you fire them in a set distance they explode and release a ton of chaff. Should in theory be large CM equivalent. Although how effective it is is questionable it might be fun.

Not for D significantly over the C-5, the issue is the C-5 didn’t get one. My guess was that it was initially meant to be a pretty much OP missile but on F-18, so to make up for crap airframe, but then once it is on every other plane it will be OP, so nerfed back. There needs to be considerations for where the next steps lie, since new jets and new missiles may be balancing nightmare.

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oh never heard of it before, i know about the time fise for head on but never this.

also sadly your limited to 2 or 4.

Yeah, but they are S-8.

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oh…

they have time fuse ?