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NGL mk2 is so ass man. air to air wise its just a worse j-11b, no extra radar pylon. air to ground its still mid unless they give it fictional kh38
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It could still be good depending on what BR they decide to place it in, the J-11B always was going to be better than both the SU-30MKK and MK2 (excluding incredibly niche areas). That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t get it, China operates both the MKK and MK2 thus it should be added (the J-11A when introduced was a joke, should’ve been the MKK/MK2).
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13.7 slightly better j-11a/worse su-27sm, or hopefully 13.0 with only 27ers
actually i forgot, the chinese mk2 can use chinese weapons right? so its gonna be leagues better than the russian/Venezuelan one
Both the MKK (more recently) and MK2 have been modernised to carry Chinese munition, so it should be capable of mounting and firing the PL-12 and PL-8B. Decompress ARB a bit and the MKK/MK2 could sit between the J-11A and J-11B BR wise.
I’m not sure if the modernised MKK/MK2s retained the ability to fire the RVV-AEs and R-73Es
It should be equal or slightly better than the SU-27SM when equipped with the PL-12s and PL-8Bs.
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Su-27SM is equal to the J-11B
and you said it would be a worse J-11B
so Su-20MK2 < Su-27SM
not better
damn no pl-15/10? forget what i said then, will be just slightly worse than 11b/s27sm
Definitely not, the J-11B as of now is easily the strongest 13.7 in-game, it borderline has the performance of a 14.0 vehicle - the PL-12s when utilised right are disgusting.
I’m 50% sure I’ve seen it equipped with PL-10s before, the J-11B we’ve got in-game (Block 02) isn’t capable of firing the PL-10s iirc.
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Man if they’re adding KH-59 now they better add the KD-88 whenever the J-10B/C and J-16 get added
less missiles actually, max of 10 compared to the 12 of the 27sm
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MKK has 12 pylons
Oh okey, so even worst than Su-27SM.
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Because the PL-12s are far greater than the R-77 carried on the SU-27SM, it’s probably the second best air to air missile in-game (behind the MICA-EM).
The PL-12s absolutely b#tch slap any aircraft that gets within missile killzone
I’ve had games were only a PL-12 could achieve a kill in that specific scenario, the AIM-120s and R-77s don’t come close.
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R-77-1 is better than PL12
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Okey and? You can only have 6 PL-12s on one of the worst flankers in game. Also second best A2A missile is R-77-1 with much stronger booster.
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The best missiles are the ones which allow you to go offensive and defensive at the same time, the PL-12s do that simply better than both the R-77 and R-77-1. The R-77-1 absolutely does have the range advantage but anyone with more than five braincells can evade missiles at long ranges.
That’s exactly why the MICA-EM for example is monstruous, even though it has mediocre range (and specially when compared to the AIM-120C-5).
You’re not looking at the parts of the missile which directly complements air realistic
Ragebait, it’s better than the SU-27SM and significantly better than the J-11A and SU-34.
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yeah and the r-77-1 (rvv-sd for china) literally has better off bore capability, and no launch limits which means it’s better for close range. while also being better in long range
r77 (rvv ae for china) is better off bore but still has launch limits