damn no pl-15/10? forget what i said then, will be just slightly worse than 11b/s27sm
Definitely not, the J-11B as of now is easily the strongest 13.7 in-game, it borderline has the performance of a 14.0 vehicle - the PL-12s when utilised right are disgusting.
I’m 50% sure I’ve seen it equipped with PL-10s before, the J-11B we’ve got in-game (Block 02) isn’t capable of firing the PL-10s iirc.
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Man if they’re adding KH-59 now they better add the KD-88 whenever the J-10B/C and J-16 get added
less missiles actually, max of 10 compared to the 12 of the 27sm
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MKK has 12 pylons
Oh okey, so even worst than Su-27SM.
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Because the PL-12s are far greater than the R-77 carried on the SU-27SM, it’s probably the second best air to air missile in-game (behind the MICA-EM).
The PL-12s absolutely b#tch slap any aircraft that gets within missile killzone
I’ve had games were only a PL-12 could achieve a kill in that specific scenario, the AIM-120s and R-77s don’t come close.
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R-77-1 is better than PL12
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Okey and? You can only have 6 PL-12s on one of the worst flankers in game. Also second best A2A missile is R-77-1 with much stronger booster.
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The best missiles are the ones which allow you to go offensive and defensive at the same time, the PL-12s do that simply better than both the R-77 and R-77-1. The R-77-1 absolutely does have the range advantage but anyone with more than five braincells can evade missiles at long ranges.
That’s exactly why the MICA-EM for example is monstruous, even though it has mediocre range (and specially when compared to the AIM-120C-5).
You’re not looking at the parts of the missile which directly complements air realistic
Ragebait, it’s better than the SU-27SM and significantly better than the J-11A and SU-34.
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yeah and the r-77-1 (rvv-sd for china) literally has better off bore capability, and no launch limits which means it’s better for close range. while also being better in long range
r77 (rvv ae for china) is better off bore but still has launch limits
for ARB a missile with more G-pull is better
and look at this:
you said yourself that extra range dosent matter
and both the r-77 and Pl-12 have the exact same seeker
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But you know that PL-12 and R-77-1 has the same seeker in game? R-77-1 adventage is the speed and acceleration.
Those are fact not ragebait if you can’t distinguish one from another that your problem. J-11A has worst radar and missile but has much better FM than Su-30MK2, Su-34 is attack aircraft with plenty of R-77. Su-30MK2 won’t be better than Su-27SM deal with it.
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The PL-12s have superior acceleration thanks to a stronger booster, a higher gimbal limit and maximum launch angle making it so high off-bore shots are easier (this goes well with HMS) and similar G-overload in a usual environment.
The only thing the R-77 and R-77-1 has over the PL-12 (brawling wise) is maximum fin attack angle and a small advantage in lateral fin acceleration. The R-77 and R-77-1 may turn better than the PL-12 but the PL-12 themselves offer better off-bore capabilities as there is a lesser restriction of angle of launch.
Okay? Did you even read what I said?
‘but anyone with more than five braincells can evade missiles at long ranges’ - @TPS_Hydra
Better or worse is subjective, the SU-30MK2 would offer a flight model worse than the J-11A and SU-27SM but would offer superior missiles in the form of the PL-12s and PL-8Bs. The PL-8Bs are also comfortably better than the R-73s mounted on the SU-27SM.
We don’t even know the full extent of the upgrades both the MKK and MK2 underwent, some sources state that the MKK/MK2 also received new radars in the form of the Type 1493 and a new RWR, that being the KJ8602A.
The MKK/MK2 could also receive the PL-12A (unofficial name iirc, later batch of the PL-12s) with extended ranges and the PL-10 - the PL-8B is also incorrectly modelled in-game, it should have a far stronger seeker, this also includes the PL-5E II.
The PL-12s and the 1493 work hand-in-hand
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what, r-77-1 along with mica em are the only missiles to have no launch limits. all other fox 3s are limited to only looking through their gimbal, including pl-12
I’m aware that the MICA-EM doesn’t have a launch limit but it’s stated otherwise in the weaponry data I have, unless they’ve not updated it yet. Everything else I’ve stated still stands of course
i linked a post to gszabi where i had exact same quesiton. both it and mica have no launch limits
You’re not force to used them on range, on closer ranges they will hit target faster than PL-12 and the target has less time to react so they are just better.
It won’t make that big difference the you less missiles and worst airframe.
“Some sources” are those sources reliable enough to believe them?