for ARB a missile with more G-pull is better
and look at this:
you said yourself that extra range dosent matter
and both the r-77 and Pl-12 have the exact same seeker
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But you know that PL-12 and R-77-1 has the same seeker in game? R-77-1 adventage is the speed and acceleration.
Those are fact not ragebait if you can’t distinguish one from another that your problem. J-11A has worst radar and missile but has much better FM than Su-30MK2, Su-34 is attack aircraft with plenty of R-77. Su-30MK2 won’t be better than Su-27SM deal with it.
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The PL-12s have superior acceleration thanks to a stronger booster, a higher gimbal limit and maximum launch angle making it so high off-bore shots are easier (this goes well with HMS) and similar G-overload in a usual environment.
The only thing the R-77 and R-77-1 has over the PL-12 (brawling wise) is maximum fin attack angle and a small advantage in lateral fin acceleration. The R-77 and R-77-1 may turn better than the PL-12 but the PL-12 themselves offer better off-bore capabilities as there is a lesser restriction of angle of launch.
Okay? Did you even read what I said?
‘but anyone with more than five braincells can evade missiles at long ranges’ - @TPS_Hydra
Better or worse is subjective, the SU-30MK2 would offer a flight model worse than the J-11A and SU-27SM but would offer superior missiles in the form of the PL-12s and PL-8Bs. The PL-8Bs are also comfortably better than the R-73s mounted on the SU-27SM.
We don’t even know the full extent of the upgrades both the MKK and MK2 underwent, some sources state that the MKK/MK2 also received new radars in the form of the Type 1493 and a new RWR, that being the KJ8602A.
The MKK/MK2 could also receive the PL-12A (unofficial name iirc, later batch of the PL-12s) with extended ranges and the PL-10 - the PL-8B is also incorrectly modelled in-game, it should have a far stronger seeker, this also includes the PL-5E II.
The PL-12s and the 1493 work hand-in-hand
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what, r-77-1 along with mica em are the only missiles to have no launch limits. all other fox 3s are limited to only looking through their gimbal, including pl-12
I’m aware that the MICA-EM doesn’t have a launch limit but it’s stated otherwise in the weaponry data I have, unless they’ve not updated it yet. Everything else I’ve stated still stands of course
i linked a post to gszabi where i had exact same quesiton. both it and mica have no launch limits
You’re not force to used them on range, on closer ranges they will hit target faster than PL-12 and the target has less time to react so they are just better.
It won’t make that big difference the you less missiles and worst airframe.
“Some sources” are those sources reliable enough to believe them?
That message he posted is pretty recent, when did they update the R-77-1? My stance on the R-77-1 as a missile itself (excluding the launch platform) may change if this is true (which is probably is, Gzabi is reliable).
I don’t think the other values have changed, does the no launch limit apply for the R-77-1?
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if you check the missile spread sheet, both it and mica have the ±180 degrees/±90 degrees for launching, which makes both have no launch limits
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You do realise this is China we’re talking about? Those ‘some sources’ are quite literally the only sources out there lmao, everything else is kept INCREDIBLY close and any public information is information authorised for release.
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Thanks, do the same for the R-77 if you will please, does it also no longer have a launch limit?
r-77 has launch limit still so its worse than 771
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again:
The launch parameters for both the PL-12 and R-77 in the videos you’ve uploaded are totally different, one is launched at a lesser angle whilst the other is launched at a far more aggressive angle. That would also rarely actually happen in-game, the PL-12 is still better than the R-77 both offensively and defensively.
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yeah the r-77 was launched at a higher speed closer to its complete gimbal limit than the Pl-12
infact the Pl-12 had more favourable launch conditions yet it missed
sees the Pl-12 miss a shot the r-77 hits
logical conclusion:
Pl-12 is better
The PL-12 was forced to turn in two separate axis’s whilst the R-77 was given a well elevated trajectory, the bandit was gaining more distance in your R-77 launch (due to positioning) and the speed difference between both platforms (J-11B and MiG-29SMT) was negligible, that being a 60km/h difference.
That’s also not mentioning the fact that a environment such as the one you’ve shown is incredibly unrealistic, you’d rarely find yourself in that scenario in air realistic. When I said the PL-12 was better offensively and defensively, I meant both at the same time, my point still stands (excluding the R-77-1, that was changed very recently - China should get a later variant of the PL-12).
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it isnt especially not for RB since it pulls less Gs
simple as, if G pull wasnt important ppl wouldnt complain about the aim-120C-5 being worse than the 120b
sure and even then coming back to the original point is the su-27sm still better due to having more missiles and having the better IR missiles