The PLAAF operates a total of 76 Su-27SK/UBK and 104 J-11A aircraft, all of which have been upgraded with RVV-AE integration capability. However, only a portion of these fleets underwent a second-phase upgrade in the 2010s, receiving MAWS and other sensor enhancements, with the extent of improvements varying across units. Since J-11A production had already ceased in 2007, these subsequent upgrades were implemented on a unit-by-unit basis rather than being tied to production batches.
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Thanks comment ) That’s interesting. While it’s true that Chinese sources also mention “selecting units in good condition for refurbishment,” I hadn’t imagined the selection criteria would be this inconsistent.
It’s particularly fascinating that rather than focusing solely on upgrading later-batch J-11A, it appears that comparatively earlier-batch J-11A/Su-27SK are receiving a significant number of MLU upgrades.
The selection process worked more like this: Unit A was re-equipped with J-11Bs/J-10Bs → their original J-11As became available for upgrades → these J-11A MLUs were then assigned to Unit B, which had been operating older aircraft like the J-7/J-8 → the J-7/J-8s were subsequently retired or donated to museums. As a result, units that had been operating J-11As for a long time—even those with relatively new production batches—might not receive the upgrades, while units with older J-11As were more likely to be issued newer aircraft, thereby feeding J-11A airframes into the MLU pipeline.
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did any receive a new rwr?
I see! That process makes sense as the reason why the later batches of J-11A didn’t receive the upgrade.
Btw: I’m not expecting much, but do you happen to know anything about the sensors on the leading edge slats, probably the Type 207C/D ?
Of the four Su-27SK/J-11s that participated in Falcon Strike 2015 (where that RWR name was likely first publicly revealed), the units on the 3 aircraft I could find photos of all appear to have sensors on the slats that closely resemble the L-150. If you know anything about this, could you share it?
P.S.Photo 11135 is from Falcon Strike 2023, but this aircraft also participated in 2015.
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No. Due to the rather fragmented nature of the J-11 series upgrades, detailed information is pretty scarce. But I’m guessing it’s probably a new RWR receiver antenna?
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does the J10C have TVC ?
no
no,only j-10b
do all j10Bs have TVC ?
no,just a few experiment
only a single prototype
NGL mk2 is so ass man. air to air wise its just a worse j-11b, no extra radar pylon. air to ground its still mid unless they give it fictional kh38
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It could still be good depending on what BR they decide to place it in, the J-11B always was going to be better than both the SU-30MKK and MK2 (excluding incredibly niche areas). That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t get it, China operates both the MKK and MK2 thus it should be added (the J-11A when introduced was a joke, should’ve been the MKK/MK2).
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13.7 slightly better j-11a/worse su-27sm, or hopefully 13.0 with only 27ers
actually i forgot, the chinese mk2 can use chinese weapons right? so its gonna be leagues better than the russian/Venezuelan one
Both the MKK (more recently) and MK2 have been modernised to carry Chinese munition, so it should be capable of mounting and firing the PL-12 and PL-8B. Decompress ARB a bit and the MKK/MK2 could sit between the J-11A and J-11B BR wise.
I’m not sure if the modernised MKK/MK2s retained the ability to fire the RVV-AEs and R-73Es
It should be equal or slightly better than the SU-27SM when equipped with the PL-12s and PL-8Bs.
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Su-27SM is equal to the J-11B
and you said it would be a worse J-11B
so Su-20MK2 < Su-27SM
not better
damn no pl-15/10? forget what i said then, will be just slightly worse than 11b/s27sm