Shenyang J-11, J-16, J-15, History, Performance & Discussion

Well then i’d just play the PLAAF Su-35 until they lift the artificial nerf, fairly simple answer there

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I posted 3 images of the cockpit in which you can see the layout of all the mfd’s

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Not basically, it is

I dont disagree. But without information you can’t just claim its so

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maybe pl12a?there is virtually no “A”,they don’t distinguish between early and late,both call pl12

Fairly sure pl12ae is export only
And they use pl15 not pl12a

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Su-35 also has aesa radars in conjunction with its pesa, albeit in the wings

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Signifigantly less powerful than a main array though, possibly not suitable for BVR at relevant ranges

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Yeah definitely true, although saying su35 doesn’t have aesa is wrong

Well I was under the Impression that the current PL-12 is an ‘early’ with dumbed down performance to match the AMRAAMs back when fox 3s released, and that a later one (branded PL-12A would come out) with better kinematics could come out, similarly to R-77-1

Current PL-12 is a copy of the SD-10

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Which is my point…
We need a newer variant to keep up with the competition, especially as the J-10B/C and J-15/16s start to get added

If I remember correctly,pl12(early) = sd10 and pl12(late)=sd10a?but in the game,they are wrong.
what I know is 180kg with m4 and 199kg with m5,but it’s 198kg with m4

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North Korea also made a fox3 from a pl12 i think

Considering most aircraft loadouts in game are fictional they should just add the PL-12AE and name it PL-12A and call it a day

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Max launch range 70kg lol

PL-12(early)=SD-10A, PL-12(late)=PL-12AE. The SD-10 is not in service.

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a good scheme

The J-16’s radar advantage is largely irrelevant in War Thunder. On a 128km x 128km map, there’s simply no practical value in having a radar with a 400+ km detection range against a 1m² RCS target (which reflects the latest J-16 batch’s radar performance. It’s known that the J-16 has undergone at least three radar upgrades, with the earliest batches featuring a 200km detection range against 1m² RCS). PS: The N035 radar is poorly regarded within the PLAAF—a well-known aggressor squadron in the Southern Theater Command has failed to win any internal “Golden Helmet” exercises since re-equipping with the Su-35, even repeatedly losing BVR engagements against J-10Cs (powered by AL-31FN engines).

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