Shenyang J-11, J-16, J-15, History, Performance & Discussion

I’d be shocked if the J-16 comes with the PL-12, or at least the same PL-12 we have in game currently

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You should do some research before posting random unrelated images and guessing

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Its not a wild claim tbh, the J-16’s radar is likely better at everything except gimbal limit, seeing as fundementally, the Irbis-E is basically an upgraded N011M iirc. Chinese radars are likely as good or possibly better than most western ones at this point, and its a pretty widely known fact that russian radars have been for the most part behind western ones for 40+ years, if not effectively for as long as radars have been put into planes. The J-16 also sports and AESA, while the Su-35 does not, which doesnt matter much in-game, but does irl. Common sense would be that the J-16’s radar beats the pants off the Irbis-E irl…

That being said, like you stated, there is little to no info on the J-16’s radar beyond it being an AESA, so theres nothing to work with regarding in-game implementation, and in-game combat mechanics prioritize gimbal limit above almost all other aspects for radars, so the Irbis-E is likely to be king regardless of how it is irl.

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Well considering there is 0 information on the fabled “PL-12A” and PLAAF doesn’t use the PL-12AE and PL-15 is very unsuitable for the current game meta/modes we’re highly likely to get the pl-12 only

Cough up an image for the J-16 then 🤷‍♂️

Well then i’d just play the PLAAF Su-35 until they lift the artificial nerf, fairly simple answer there

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I posted 3 images of the cockpit in which you can see the layout of all the mfd’s

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Not basically, it is

I dont disagree. But without information you can’t just claim its so

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maybe pl12a?there is virtually no “A”,they don’t distinguish between early and late,both call pl12

Fairly sure pl12ae is export only
And they use pl15 not pl12a

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Su-35 also has aesa radars in conjunction with its pesa, albeit in the wings

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Signifigantly less powerful than a main array though, possibly not suitable for BVR at relevant ranges

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Yeah definitely true, although saying su35 doesn’t have aesa is wrong

Well I was under the Impression that the current PL-12 is an ‘early’ with dumbed down performance to match the AMRAAMs back when fox 3s released, and that a later one (branded PL-12A would come out) with better kinematics could come out, similarly to R-77-1

Current PL-12 is a copy of the SD-10

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Which is my point…
We need a newer variant to keep up with the competition, especially as the J-10B/C and J-15/16s start to get added

If I remember correctly,pl12(early) = sd10 and pl12(late)=sd10a?but in the game,they are wrong.
what I know is 180kg with m4 and 199kg with m5,but it’s 198kg with m4

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North Korea also made a fox3 from a pl12 i think

Considering most aircraft loadouts in game are fictional they should just add the PL-12AE and name it PL-12A and call it a day

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