Edit: They’re the same, sorry I though you were comparing Su-27SM and J-11A
The additional external circle represents the MAWS found on the J-11A, three circles shows that the aircraft also has LWS like found on the Eurofighter.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/6mLWlJOzbR8u
I made a report 6 days ago, it was acknowledged but it’s still incredible that gaijin forgets J11 and J11a
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Well, J-11B Block 2 was passed to the developer, so lets hope it will be added in reasonable timeframe
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Hopefully, the next version will see J11B/J10B that only exists in leaks
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I might not surprised J-11BH from PLANAF instead J-11B (Early) for researchable tree because spec like J-11B Block 2, but J-11BH equipped tailhook
Battle rating 14.0, my guess
Would the J11B have better performance and thrust compared to the current SU27SM with the M1 engines? I know the J11B is said to be maybe lighter, but i’m not sure if the J11B has also improved thrust
WS-10A does have more peak thrust than standard AL-31F if Gaijin decides to model the post-2010s variant which solved many of reliability issues the initial batch had. It’s 132KN in emergency power, which is roughly comparable with M1.
Su-27SM is 400 kilograms heavier than Su-27S. The J-11 and J-11A is around 500 kilograms heavier than Su-27S due to the strengthened landing gear in the SK models. J-11B is said to be 800 kilograms lighter than Su-27SK.
So I think thrust to weight is comparable between J-11B and Su-27SM, at least being equivalent.
WS-10A has 132kn compared to Su-27SM 122kn irrc
The Su-27SM has Al-31FM1 engines in War Thunder now, in the current update.
It is 13.5 tons of thrust, 132.4KN
So it is comparable.
Oh ok
That is untrue. See this post
WS-10A has roughly equivalent thrust & curve to the Russian counterpart.
This is old, i have multiple sources that state otherwise
I was also mistakenly comparing to old Su-27SM engines
Feel free to provide them.
“Dragons Wings Chinese Fighter and Bomber Aircraft Development” by Andreas Rupprecht is one of them.
WS-10A thrust also depends on what batch it was produded in, since minor improvements have been made over time
Ruprecht is not a better source, he’s a German aviation enthusiast who gets majority of his information from online forums, media posts, etc.
The thrust in the source I quoted is the best source we have yet found for the engine. It shows a similar thrust curve to the Russian engines.
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What’s your sources name or link to the source?
I would mainly like to see the year of the source.
Because it could be an early batch WS-10A, or mislabeled WS-10.
2016, Shenyang Aerospace University Journal
Source
There have been unsupported claims that it could do 132kN (perhaps on bench?) and thrust was limited to reduce surging and stalling issues - something discussed in that paper.
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like I said, the thrust is the data in 0.6 mach. Compared to AL-31F’s curve this also stands. so 13200 is real. and WS-10 do have better performance in high altitude, for example, in 1mach 5km, ws-10a has about 110KN, AL-31F has about 100KN