“Ka-50/52 are just as bad as Apache due to not being F&F, any SPAA deals with them.”
Despite the fact that they are objectively better having:
Its still not as good as helis with F&F but it is certainly better than an Apache
Difference is an HSTV-L has much less proxy and the lead indicator is straight up bugged and you have to lead it more so you either need to invest half your ammo in proxy and avoid fighting too many people or just ignore enemy drones all together unlike the 2S38, RDFLT or LVK9040 C which have much more ammo that you can invest into proxy
Apache has radar and can bring 16 hellfires though. The gun is basically because the 30mm chaingun on the apache is almost like a grenade launcher while the russians use the same gun on the BTR-80A and BMP-2/2M/3
But that’s more of a design issue. Russians fitted an entire modular naval gun system on a BMP-3 chassis, no surprise it got a better autoloader
Hellfires cant be shot through smoke and take much longer to actually get there, the gun is also does much less damage than the KA52 and I’ve literally tanked shots from Apaches on something like the Rafale and shook it off just fine.
Also have you ever used the radar on the apache? It is basically just for show and does not detect a single thing along with the Z-19, MI-28 and similar radars
That’s the disadvantage of SAL vs LOSBR though.
hellfires also have pretty much no velocity in terminal phase when fired from 6km+ so they cant correct for any changes in target position
its not the fact its “a better autoloader” its the fact that it carries over 100 rounds more whilst being able to sit in spawn and not even go near a cap when you need to restock on shells. The 2S38 is much more effective in top tier than the HSTV-L because of this.
Which is just another reason why the KA52 is better? Which was my point? I dont see what youre trying to get at here
which is another reason they feel so much slower is because they dont fly in a straight line to the target, so the 200ish m/s difference feels like much more
Hence a better autoloader. You also have to factor in that a 57mm round is significantly smaller than a 76mm one
Now I have no idea how big the 76mm on the HSTV-L is but for reference the 57mm on the 2S38 is based on the S-60 so that uses a 57x347mm round while a comparable system like the Otomatic uses a 76x636mm round
Quite a big difference in ammo size
Ahh all you said you just took it and cooked fully agree with your points ^
Again the problem with the Pantsir isn’t just the range/speed/amount of missiles that it has on every single other top tier SPAA but also the fact it can better track and intercept munitions compared to other SPAA.
The KH38’s are also just much faster than any other AGM on fixed winged aircraft which is another issue
I mean SAL is much more useful irl hence why Hellfire uses that guidance method. Ofc this doesn’t translate well ingame until Gaijin figures out buddy lasing
If only there was a broken mechanic that both lowered aircraft SP cost while simultaneously giving you SP and showing where every single enemy is through walls. Guess I can keep wishing.
@SolareHQ
So your post is bragging about having more skill than most players.
Your post is also claiming that skill difference is Russian bias.
Are you Russian? If not, that’s not Russian bias. Your tactic can be used by France with the Vextra/CV9035NL, Israel with Namer, and of course USA with the best light tank CAS combo: HSTV-L, the 2nd/3rd best light tank in the game. The VT-5 and CV90120 are the other two.
As for Kamov… proxy is useless against tanks and ruins the warhead size. They carry less missiles. Radar doesn’t matter. Their gun is worse as it can’t traverse. And last one is skill dependent.
They’re also within the range of all top SPAA in the game.
All top SPAA in the game is bad, this is a fact.
Nothing in your posts disagrees with my basic statements outside your post arguing the Kamov can survive an ADATS hit.
CAS is still OP.
SPAA is still useless.
Helicopters that don’t have F&F missiles still die whenever SPAA is up.
Just wandering Bc I donno what. -(‘=’)-/
That’s not the point at all, in fact I’m trying to justify the fact that skill is not involved whatsoever when taking in account the balance at top tier and that 2 equally skilled players WILL do better on USSR than almost any other nation.
I have exclusively used the HSTV-L with the F/A-18C Late in ground and cannot carry unlike when I’m playing the counterpart (2S38 and Su30SM) due to the simple fact that the Pantsir and Su30 are just plain better.
Sure, you’re 100% right here, you know what the difference is? half of those don’t have HE-VT that will instantly destroy any drone the enemy team spawns in, which are both easier to shoot down and detect in the 2S38 thanks to the better thermals compared to something like the HSTV-L and also because it can actually track drones further than 2.5KM away. It also has plenty more HE-VT that you can bring compared to the HSTV-L.
It’s better at shooting down heli’s, tanks and aircraft and can tank hits better. “Radar doesn’t matter” when aircraft are the only thing that can realistically kill you is a hilarious statement and even if they are within range of top tier SPAA, their missiles are faster and you can intercept missiles unlike on an Apache.
One is objectively better in every single way over any other top tier SPAA but surely this wont have an effect on win rates right? Surely being able to actually intercept AGM’s effectively is something inconsequential and isn’t important.
Maybe not the Adats which I didn’t even state but definitely guns and AAM like the Magic 2, Aim 9M and PL8B have all happened to me, letting me land safely and rearm whilst killing the aircraft in the process.
Su30/Su34 is still objectively much better.
Besides the one that can intercept munitions, has more missiles aswell as guns on every top tier SPAA.
This is mostly true, KA52 is still far superior to an Apache or something like the Z-10
Except they won’t.
If one brings 2S38, and one brings HSTVL and F-15E, the one that brings HSTVL will have more frags than the former if both bring CAS afterward, cause the HSTVL is vastly superior to the 2S38.
So you use one of the worse CAS options intentionally…
HE-VT doesn’t matter against tanks, and destroying drones isn’t a necessity.
Kamov 52 is only better at fragging helicopters, the worst top SPAA frags the Kamov 52 with ease.
Rafale is the only one objectively better than all other CAS in the game.
Su-30SM and F-15E are fighting for 2nd.
All top CAS are incapable of dying to any SPAA in War Thunder.
It doesn’t matter what you direct comparison, you’re not using helicopters and CAS in a vacuum.
The 2S38 has much easier targets facing against the Abrams than the HSTV-L which has it’s rounds stopped on a 0 degree angle by side ERA of the T90 and T80, which accounted for a surprising amount of deaths when I played it. The 2S38 is also better in fire rate, ammo capacity, and thermals than the HSTV-L. The HSTV-L is not vastly superior in any category besides size and speed, everything else is negligible or sided towards the 2S38.
F-15 is a brick fully loaded and is inferior to the F-18 for air to air capabilities. It has only 2 more AGM’s and the JDAM’s are actually a waste of space. You are much more susceptible to Air threats and the Pantsir in the F15 and the AGM’s, so if there’s nothing up then it would be better to literally use the F-111F as it has more IR guided munitions (as well as the fact it costs less). The AGM-65F on the F-18 is also SAP-HE which is much better for killing tanks (which is what you should be aiming for) as I’ve had the D’s direct hit T90’s and do literally nothing. Killing Su30’s and Su34’s should be your top priority while playing America or any nation that is facing USSR as their missiles are better and will wipe entire teams without much counterplay after being fired off.
Sure its not a necessity if you actually want your team to live past 5 minutes. Drones are the biggest threat in GRB right now and something needs to be done immediately about scouting/drones. It’s been a problem for a while but after the update PIP mode literally renders people from their spawn and doesn’t make you miss a single scout. I’ve literally won games from having almost their entire team scouted 24/7 without even leaving spawn. So yes, HE-VT is important, very important.
No counterplay in a tank, cant even smoke. Also playing heli’s correctly involves avoiding direct vision with enemy spawn and moving from the heli spawn to avoid aircraft seeing you.
The KH38 is objectively better than the Hammers, as they’re faster, have more explosive mass and aren’t susceptible to be intercepted. The fact the hammers have GNSS is rendered obsolete when comparing the two as both have IOG and the KH38s are so fast even if you smoke they will still slam into you. Rafale was best before the update, now it’s the Su30 as even with full AGM loadout you still get more AAM and the advantage the Mica’s have in Air RB are rendered useless in GRB as the air spawn’s make acceleration practically obsolete which is the major advantage the Rafale has over most other aircraft.
I will agree that CAS is broken at top tier, however it is very one sided still towards USSR.
Except again one can intercept munitions and doesn’t allow people to just stay out of range and fly in a straight line like you can with the Su30sm and fire off missiles without having to worry about them being intercepted.
