If only there was a broken mechanic that both lowered aircraft SP cost while simultaneously giving you SP and showing where every single enemy is through walls. Guess I can keep wishing.
@SolareHQ
So your post is bragging about having more skill than most players.
Your post is also claiming that skill difference is Russian bias.
Are you Russian? If not, that’s not Russian bias. Your tactic can be used by France with the Vextra/CV9035NL, Israel with Namer, and of course USA with the best light tank CAS combo: HSTV-L, the 2nd/3rd best light tank in the game. The VT-5 and CV90120 are the other two.
As for Kamov… proxy is useless against tanks and ruins the warhead size. They carry less missiles. Radar doesn’t matter. Their gun is worse as it can’t traverse. And last one is skill dependent.
They’re also within the range of all top SPAA in the game.
All top SPAA in the game is bad, this is a fact.
Nothing in your posts disagrees with my basic statements outside your post arguing the Kamov can survive an ADATS hit.
CAS is still OP.
SPAA is still useless.
Helicopters that don’t have F&F missiles still die whenever SPAA is up.
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That’s not the point at all, in fact I’m trying to justify the fact that skill is not involved whatsoever when taking in account the balance at top tier and that 2 equally skilled players WILL do better on USSR than almost any other nation.
I have exclusively used the HSTV-L with the F/A-18C Late in ground and cannot carry unlike when I’m playing the counterpart (2S38 and Su30SM) due to the simple fact that the Pantsir and Su30 are just plain better.
Sure, you’re 100% right here, you know what the difference is? half of those don’t have HE-VT that will instantly destroy any drone the enemy team spawns in, which are both easier to shoot down and detect in the 2S38 thanks to the better thermals compared to something like the HSTV-L and also because it can actually track drones further than 2.5KM away. It also has plenty more HE-VT that you can bring compared to the HSTV-L.
It’s better at shooting down heli’s, tanks and aircraft and can tank hits better. “Radar doesn’t matter” when aircraft are the only thing that can realistically kill you is a hilarious statement and even if they are within range of top tier SPAA, their missiles are faster and you can intercept missiles unlike on an Apache.
One is objectively better in every single way over any other top tier SPAA but surely this wont have an effect on win rates right? Surely being able to actually intercept AGM’s effectively is something inconsequential and isn’t important.
Maybe not the Adats which I didn’t even state but definitely guns and AAM like the Magic 2, Aim 9M and PL8B have all happened to me, letting me land safely and rearm whilst killing the aircraft in the process.
Su30/Su34 is still objectively much better.
Besides the one that can intercept munitions, has more missiles aswell as guns on every top tier SPAA.
This is mostly true, KA52 is still far superior to an Apache or something like the Z-10
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Except they won’t.
If one brings 2S38, and one brings HSTVL and F-15E, the one that brings HSTVL will have more frags than the former if both bring CAS afterward, cause the HSTVL is vastly superior to the 2S38.
So you use one of the worse CAS options intentionally…
HE-VT doesn’t matter against tanks, and destroying drones isn’t a necessity.
Kamov 52 is only better at fragging helicopters, the worst top SPAA frags the Kamov 52 with ease.
Rafale is the only one objectively better than all other CAS in the game.
Su-30SM and F-15E are fighting for 2nd.
All top CAS are incapable of dying to any SPAA in War Thunder.
It doesn’t matter what you direct comparison, you’re not using helicopters and CAS in a vacuum.
The 2S38 has much easier targets facing against the Abrams than the HSTV-L which has it’s rounds stopped on a 0 degree angle by side ERA of the T90 and T80, which accounted for a surprising amount of deaths when I played it. The 2S38 is also better in fire rate, ammo capacity, and thermals than the HSTV-L. The HSTV-L is not vastly superior in any category besides size and speed, everything else is negligible or sided towards the 2S38.
F-15 is a brick fully loaded and is inferior to the F-18 for air to air capabilities. It has only 2 more AGM’s and the JDAM’s are actually a waste of space. You are much more susceptible to Air threats and the Pantsir in the F15 and the AGM’s, so if there’s nothing up then it would be better to literally use the F-111F as it has more IR guided munitions (as well as the fact it costs less). The AGM-65F on the F-18 is also SAP-HE which is much better for killing tanks (which is what you should be aiming for) as I’ve had the D’s direct hit T90’s and do literally nothing. Killing Su30’s and Su34’s should be your top priority while playing America or any nation that is facing USSR as their missiles are better and will wipe entire teams without much counterplay after being fired off.
Sure its not a necessity if you actually want your team to live past 5 minutes. Drones are the biggest threat in GRB right now and something needs to be done immediately about scouting/drones. It’s been a problem for a while but after the update PIP mode literally renders people from their spawn and doesn’t make you miss a single scout. I’ve literally won games from having almost their entire team scouted 24/7 without even leaving spawn. So yes, HE-VT is important, very important.
No counterplay in a tank, cant even smoke. Also playing heli’s correctly involves avoiding direct vision with enemy spawn and moving from the heli spawn to avoid aircraft seeing you.
(not very clear due to difference in total games and Air RB being grouped with GRB but the Su-30SM has outperformed the Rafale in my experience)
The KH38 is objectively better than the Hammers, as they’re faster, have more explosive mass and aren’t susceptible to be intercepted. The fact the hammers have GNSS is rendered obsolete when comparing the two as both have IOG and the KH38s are so fast even if you smoke they will still slam into you. Rafale was best before the update, now it’s the Su30 as even with full AGM loadout you still get more AAM and the advantage the Mica’s have in Air RB are rendered useless in GRB as the air spawn’s make acceleration practically obsolete which is the major advantage the Rafale has over most other aircraft.
I will agree that CAS is broken at top tier, however it is very one sided still towards USSR.
Except again one can intercept munitions and doesn’t allow people to just stay out of range and fly in a straight line like you can with the Su30sm and fire off missiles without having to worry about them being intercepted.
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@SolareHQ
The ERA does not stop HSTVL’s rounds, and the HSTVL isn’t fighting purely T-90Ms.
Fire rate and ammo capacity matter against aircraft, however HSTVL has an over 10:1 KDR in ammo capacity, HSTVL is fine.
HSTVL is twice as fast to 70kph, it’s faster, it’s smaller, it has a vastly superior gun and ammo.
Yes, the Su-30SM, F-15E, Su-34, etc are all bricks when loaded. The F-15E has 2 more AIM-120s than the F-18C while having 22 more air to ground weapons.
The glide bombs which distract SPAA for your entire team, and 6x AGM-65s for MBTs.
You admitting to exploiting game bugs is not the gotcha you think it is.
You think Apache and Ka-52 have no counterplay in tanks… dude, I’ve known about the counterplay since 2020, how have you not found it in 5 years? Trees, buildings, dead tanks, smoke, etc.
Smoke is not something you use unless you can move.
Which means avoiding direct vision with the battlefield on even Carpathians, while being in the best spots.
You once again cite skill/player records as a means to refute what exactly? You face smarter teams with one side?
Your posts are just making excuses to defend the Sukhois…
Also SPAA can’t intercept munitions if they’re dealing with 20+ glide bombs.
A CAS run is 10 - 20 seconds, moving out of spawn as a SPAA is not fast enough, and that’s IF they catch onto what’s going on.
I know not even you believe that, and just in case heres a video anyways of it happening. And yes, you mostly fight teams with a good portion of T90M’s especially when playing 12.0 and above.
This has happened on numerous occasions, and even shooting the same spot twice sometimes just does not pen for whatever reason.
Using your limited ammo on the HSTV-L to try and disable someone before killing them can straight up either not disable them or get you killed whilst the 2S38 can one shot disable an Abrams very easily frontally.
I’ve already said it is faster and smaller, the gun is negligible as its 50mm of pen difference whilst the 2S38 reloads much faster makes up for the difference. It can also float which allows you to get to very cheesy spots on many maps which is a large advantage over the HSTV-L. Also Laser warning.
Those ground weapons are genuinely useless and any pantsir player with a brain can simply drive 20m away and not be effected by a single bomb whilst still intercepting the AGM’s. With the F-18 you are much more nimble and if there is a pantsir when you spawn you are much more likely to survive and actually contribute to the match, as if you try to drop all your bombs and AGM’s in an F-15 on spawn and theres a pantsir you wont even get half of them off.
Bugs? Where in my post did I admit to “exploiting a game bug”. I’ll just assume you’re talking about scouting teams with the drone but I’m sorry to say
But scout is literally in the name.
The entire point of PIP and scout drones in the first place is to still be able to see/render people in a light tank to be able to scout them, so I don’t see how in any shape or form this could be considered a bug. On top of the fact that the game literally shows you exactly where your drone is aiming, I’d consider it highly unlikely they are unaware of this, more so they just don’t care. This doesn’t meet any criteria for an exploit and is literally a feature within the game, which is the reason I stated “something needs to be done about this” rather than “this bug needs to be fixed”. Again, I do want something to be done about this, in fact I don’t even think scouting should exist what so ever in GRB but that’s a different issue.
It is amusing how little you think of the devs though, like when people said they didn’t know about rocketing bases when Heli PvE bases we’re centered around this being the case at the time. And now they know Napalm is the best for grinding so the limit it to certain aircraft/premiums so people are more enticed to buy them. Again, they know about these features within the game, but they will not do a single thing until they want to. I personally do not like that this is a thing within the game
If you truly think that this is an unintended feature and a bug within the game, report it on their website, and more importantly link it here so I can see how they respond.
This is assuming the fact that not only is there a structure to hide behind but also that you manage to notice it before the missile is too close. Even if battle chat is very helpful to knowing when there is a heli up, there is no guarantee that you won’t be killed first as revenge or being pushed up further than the rest of your team. With Apache’s you have much more time to react especially with a LWS and even then sometimes hellfires will straight up miss or hit something while in arc.
Generally, due to the games map design there are generally hills or divots that cover spawns so they can’t see each other (not always the case but it is a general theme). You can use these to guide missiles in most of the way then fly up right as there close to hit SPAA, which leaves them almost no counterplay. Guess which missiles cant do this due to the way that they ARC? KA52 is just better, plain and simple.
Flying straight up above the battlefield and spamming missiles in a heli wouldn’t be what I call skill.
In what way am I trying to defend them?? I’m trying to state that they’re the main problem when talking about CAS? The KH38 has almost no counterplay.
If they’re high in the sky a pantsir can easily just eliminate the F15 as they are too slow to turn away, if they’re hugging the ground you made an excellent point earlier about either moving behind cover, which you don’t even need to do with GNSS as you can literally just move anywhere that isn’t where you currently are.
Not only does it take way too long to drop all the bombs in a manner that would eliminate the pantsir even if it moved but unless you’re doing this within 7KM it will have plenty of time to move. And if you are within that range, the pantsir can easily kill you which you’ve already made a point how this would be in favor of the pantsir as it costs vastly less SP.
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@SolareHQ
I never came across a stock T-90M while in HSTVL, in-fact I only came across 2 T-90Ms so far. One I hit the lower part of the ERA, and the other I shot below the ERA bags.
I don’t have a spaded T-90M to show you my shot sadly.
I never try to disable someone as my first shot; My shot priority is as follows:
1- Ammo.
2- Crew.
3- Breach.
4- Gunner-Commander.
In that order. My first shot is always for ammo first.
The HSTVL’s reload is already faster than MBTs so the reload of 2S38 does not matter.
Laser warning I wish mattered but no one uses laser munitions.
20 meters isn’t enough, they have to drive out of the entire zone. 20 bombs of somewhere between 10 and 60 meter radius across an entire spawn is significant. All the while the Pantsir can’t fire, and that’s IF they understand what’s going on in time.
Napalm is primarily on tech tree vehicles, not premiums, and not relevant to this topic.
IR AGMs are OP, they still have counterplay though.
The Pantsir lacks the range to deal with F-15s at high altitude; I’ve been facing hundreds of Pantsirs since dev server at 8000+ meters, it wasn’t until November 2024 when I confirmed they were buffed in manual launch mode to hit a target out to 16km flying straight at them, turning would still dodge the missile, as well as going mach 1.3+.
I do not doubt your experience against Pantsir has been different, I’m sharing my experience.
In-fact I believe all of your experiences.
Only way to fix top tier is to either give everybody an Pantsir equivalent (Gürz System) , remove KH38s or simply remove CAS.
At this point top tier is not even about realism anymore. Nothing feels realistic at top tiers. It plays like Counter Strike but with Tanks and Jets instead of Humans.
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here we go again
Pantsir equivalent would keep Kh-38s OP.
agreee all you say RB is CAS Battle now all game die 2 or 3 time by bozo SU plane who shoot when they pop and go down and do that again and again put CAS at 1500 spawn point or remove it it s cancer now or give real AAA to other nation Russia is too strong or they theory have the weak stuff
That was exactly the point I was trying to make, but most users on this forum don’t actually play the game — they rely on theory and completely ignore the simple, obvious things that real players experience in actual matches.
This isn’t about the BR of the 2S38 — it’s about how easily players are able to spawn aircraft, and how that is turning Ground RB matches into air battles filled with planes
This should have been done a long time ago
The cost of aviation needs to be increased so that the player can get it only for good results in battle.
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The T-90M has no business being grouped with the 2A7 and 122s. It’s so mid compared to them.
2A7s and 122s should just be moved to a BR of their own.
I intercepted 2 Kh38s with trophy in random battles, once in the Merkava Mk.4M and the second time in the Namer, and I didn’t die from overpressure.
Did some testing afterwards and same went for hammers from the Rafale (if they approached from within the radar scan angles of the aps).
If that’s the case then put the SEPV2 and Arietes…etc at 11.0
I’m not even going to put the SEPv2 and Ariete in the same sentence though. I dislike the SEPv2 and it’s addition a lot, but it’s still considerably better than the Ariete.
But yeah, I would prefer the 2A7s/122s to move to 12.7 at least, stuff like the SEPv1/Type 10/TKX/T-80BVM to move to 12.3 and then have 12.0 for tanks like the M1A2/SEPv2/T-90M/etc.
(of course with the max aircraft BR in ground RB moving to at least 14.0.
That wouldn’t change anything tbh, i play at 11.3 with an F5E and LAV and i meet up with 2A7,T90M,Pantsir,SU30SM so the idea of them going to a lower BR wouldn’t change the fact that they will fight against them most of the time.
Abrams is better when it comes to turret armor but other than that both of them got penetrable hull, but in the case of the Abrams it’s worse because of the exposed turret ring.
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