Severe Imbalance in Top Tier Ground RB

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Rip, this thread spiraled.
I think you have the right motivation just wrong direction; KH38s being mach 2 and a large payload is strong, they can overpressure from near misses. And a Mach 2 missile is hard even for Pantsirs to engage and track in mixed everyone vs everyone GRB. (But is that a player issue from shooting lazy mavericks all day or just thin react window.)

Unfortunately Snail balances with statistics, despite this issue being raised a year ago, they now have the data to agree it’s an issue… Now dev time to produce and introduce the vehicles. (In the meantime, mald about dying to CAS in current year at current br meme!)

Pantsir is not the be all end all, and does have weaknesses that can be exploited, a pilot with some effort and skill counter a pantsir. The thing that sets it apart from all other SPAA in game is you must deal with it or stay low, RUS CAS on the other hand normally only die to SPAA due to greed. Spawn in, dump payload, rtb. (Not all, but there is a pressure exerted against teams faced up against the pantsir, vs teams with it.)

That being said I don’t care if I’m being engaged by an Adats, I can ignore it. VT1 slingers are fast but still very manageable. Pantsir’s can defend them selves from ordance, unless you spam everything at them, more than they can track and engage. It’s not op, it’s just the best currently. The Pantsir also having TWS makes it very easy to use, noob friendly.

Idk what snail will do, I think being a tanker getting smacked by the Mach 2 missile is a bit much/ not fun. Not to mention I don’t think a jasso, jasso b, jassom, and other crazy modern weapons would be fun to go up against.

So I think pulling the KH38s would be the quick fix, but they are already on 3x planes. So doubtful. They could do to the worst saclos SPAA, what they did to the 2S6 and give it artificial good missiles and radar to fill gap.

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I agree

you can definitly fly high 6-10km from the battle field against all AA except the pantsir (and maybe HQ17 I dont see it enough to know) but doing that against pantsir while theoreticaly possible doesnt allow you a window to launch ordinance where against even ITO90 you can go nose on and roll the VT1

and to add to that unbalance gaijin has given them capable platforms carrying 6 of by far the best Air to ground missile in game, I really dont know what they were thinking with this the KH38 should never have been added and should be immediately removed so people can actually play top tier ground RB

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Magic autoloaders that protect ammo from exploding, still happily turning their turret to take out enemies and fire despite the autoloader being taken out, front armor so strong that in game most enemies have to aim and hit the breech/weakspot while Russian tanks are somehow capable of point and clicking most enemies. And that’s before the air supremacy, most modern SPAA by almost 20 years, extremely favourable BRs, etc.

Meanwhile shooting the Abrams virtually anywhere disables the turret drive. The Leo just got it’s second nerf in a short time and one that goes against realism. Somehow the thin mesh meant to protect the crew from spall in WT creates spall instead, and the turret drive is taken out by a completely unrelated system not tied into it nor necessary.

Russian mains in game are the most handheld group there is, and it aint even close.

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You can dream as much as you want here. I’ve played enough with and against top Russian tanks to know when a person is lying.

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because they already have a round in the breach

so do the russian tanks as well

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and it is still one of the best if not the best tank ingame

F-14 being undcontested for a few updates, clearly it is a russian vehicle
F-15E being uncontested for one Update, clearly it is a russian vehicle
Rafale being the best plane in the game rn, clearly it is a russian vehicle

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2S38 needs higher BR, that’s right, but it does not mean too OP at toptier. Other nations need heavy fire IFVs instead.

The CAS issue has been solved by adding enough helis with F&F missiles and better fighters. The KA52/50 is not OP now, spikes can do it faster, and no need to worry the SPAA. The only issue is based on the Pantsir, not the CAS itself. Rafale/Typhoon are much better than SU34/30, The only issue is that all of the nations except Russia don’t have similar products like 2S38, so they can respwan the CAS speed faster. You can find the in SB model, the NATO has already controls the sky if they have enough pilots

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maybe show it with 3BM60 you know the TOP round instead of the Stock Dart

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mb didnt click through all the rounds but it dosent change to much
they still need to aim for the lower front plate or the breach

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“2S38 isn’t a top BR vehicle. Bringing it in your 12.0 lineup is harming your team’s chances of winning.” yeah you keep saying that while I scout the entire enemy team with a drone 3KM away from the battlefield whilst being able to stop any other drones that spawn in much more effectively than similar light tanks used at top tier.

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Also makes the Su30 and Su34 cost practically no SP and you can still easily kill things like Abrams, Chally’s and Type 90’s in a head on

But I’m sure this somehow isn’t bias to you

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Can’t you do the same with an HSTV-L and Spawn an F-15E and F-15C/F-16C?

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“Ka-50/52 are just as bad as Apache due to not being F&F, any SPAA deals with them.”

Despite the fact that they are objectively better having:

  • Faster, longer ranged missiles with proxy
  • More total missiles both air and ground
  • A better Radar
  • Better guns
  • Able to tank hits much more effectively

Its still not as good as helis with F&F but it is certainly better than an Apache

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Difference is an HSTV-L has much less proxy and the lead indicator is straight up bugged and you have to lead it more so you either need to invest half your ammo in proxy and avoid fighting too many people or just ignore enemy drones all together unlike the 2S38, RDFLT or LVK9040 C which have much more ammo that you can invest into proxy

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Apache has radar and can bring 16 hellfires though. The gun is basically because the 30mm chaingun on the apache is almost like a grenade launcher while the russians use the same gun on the BTR-80A and BMP-2/2M/3

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But that’s more of a design issue. Russians fitted an entire modular naval gun system on a BMP-3 chassis, no surprise it got a better autoloader

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Hellfires cant be shot through smoke and take much longer to actually get there, the gun is also does much less damage than the KA52 and I’ve literally tanked shots from Apaches on something like the Rafale and shook it off just fine.

Also have you ever used the radar on the apache? It is basically just for show and does not detect a single thing along with the Z-19, MI-28 and similar radars

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That’s the disadvantage of SAL vs LOSBR though.

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hellfires also have pretty much no velocity in terminal phase when fired from 6km+ so they cant correct for any changes in target position

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its not the fact its “a better autoloader” its the fact that it carries over 100 rounds more whilst being able to sit in spawn and not even go near a cap when you need to restock on shells. The 2S38 is much more effective in top tier than the HSTV-L because of this.

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Which is just another reason why the KA52 is better? Which was my point? I dont see what youre trying to get at here

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which is another reason they feel so much slower is because they dont fly in a straight line to the target, so the 200ish m/s difference feels like much more