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Its not an AOA nerf they the reduced the Center of Mass to stabilizers value which impacts turn performance and in turn Stability since the Stabilzers cant put as much force on the missile, its is directly related
There’s a hidden change in the datamines
distance from CM to stabilisers: 0.3 → 0.12
I think this one is the cause for the pull nerf.
the PID changes are good and shouldn’t be related
If that’s the case, then the changelog is misworded.
I was alluding to this myself.
Cause this topic is about the changelogs, and if no one posts [not even myself] the datamine stuff that you and I know about, then this topic is going to be about what’s available in the topic itself.
We can’t assume everyone reads datamines.
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I noticed that your update log did not mention the weakening of the maneuverability of the PL-12. You are trying to paint this change as a completely positive change, right?
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Maybe I can now try and spade my Tornado F.3 Late lol
The changes from CM - > Stab happened at the same time as missile mass and autopilot though. Not everything added to a patch is listed in the changelog.
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assuming the current value for
distance from CM to stabilisers: is set to 0.12 because of the following distance WRT the 3D model:
what was the older value even based on anyway?
and even in the case of this new value, it should be 0.127, and in my opinion, the distance from CM to stabilisers: value should be taken from the center of SURFACE AREA of the control surface.
Why do i say this? It makes sense because the center of surface area of the control fins is the general center of torque WRT the CoM of the missile
and the center of surface area of the control fin is actually further from the CoM
127+81.5 gives us 208.5.
so imo the new value should be set to 0.208
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Also just wanna say the deltaV of the Pl-12A was only increased by around 50-60 m/s i dont think thats enough to make it go mach8
And to add to all of the above doesnt help that the Pl-12 has really bad speed loss
So let me get this straight, For this update to the Mach speed all that is needed is a picture of plaque at an airshow, but everyone else ( besides soviet tree ) needs to have technical specification manuals and even then is not enough to correct some issues with vehicles or munitions ?
No you are wrong only the statcard mach number was increased nothing else. Also go find better info on chn stuff then
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So… Can we expect the J-15T to go down to 14.3 or possibly even 14.0 as this is just a straight nerf? And a absolutely massive nerf at that. I personally think it’s about time we also get the PL-15, especially with the R-77-1 in-game absolutely destroying everything (alongside the MICA-EM).
Telling you rn, the PL-15 will be a PL-12A c&P with booster and sustainer seperated as dual pulse
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Can’t even argue against that possibly being true or not, and especially when it comes to Gaijin and their terrible track record with Chinese vehicles. The PL-10 will probably be a reskinned PL-8B with the IRCCM of a AIM-9B as well.
funnily enough the PL-10 is one of the missiles we have the most info on iirc
anyway this just put the nail into the coffin for china´s top tier imo
Correct, it’s the lofting it does at high altitudes now that does it. Otherwise it’s mach 5 usually.
Some of us have questions regarding today’s changes to the PL-12/PL-12A if you’d be willing to clarify. I saw that others have forwarded similar questions to you on the forums in the past and double checked with a moderator before pinging you to make sure it was okay.
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There were changes made to the autopilot and, more importantly, CM dist to stab, and from what the changelog says, these were made in an attempt to make the missile more stable. However, these changes have significantly reduced the HOBS capability of the missile to the point that it significantly impacts gameplay, and most players consider these changes a nerf. Is it possible for these changes to be looked at again to achieve trajectory stability without significantly hindering performance? Or are the changes final?
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The mass of the PL-12A was increased by 16 kg, but the propellant grain only by 8.8 kg. The missile’s diameter and length remain identical; the PL-12A has a miniaturized front flight control system section to make room for the significantly larger motor. Shouldn’t more of the additional weight go to propellant? I don’t see where else the remaining 7.2 kg would go other than the power system, but the discrepancy seems too significant (And there’d be further empty weight reduction by the miniaturized flight control system which would be clawed back by a larger power system leading to minimal overall change). Perhaps I’m missing something, but that’s why I’d like to ask.
I’m not trying to say anything is incorrect per se, just forwarding some questions in order to hopefully have more clarification.
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well funny thing is they didnt change the loft so and the missile has a hardcoded speed cap of 1500m/s or mach around mach 4, this missleading,