you can do the same with amraams
and have been able to since they were nerfed over a year ago
No. Not at this range.
You can outroll the AIM-120A from 2 - 2.5 kilometers which is very close, not 7.52
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you can roll amraams at that range
I have done it
I haven’t seen someone out roll the aim-120c-5 from 7km+ since they buffed its pull…
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I mean, you definitely can past like 20km
but being that you could roll 120A/B at 5-6km im pretty sure you can still roll 120C at that range
repost
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Yeah distance Stab to CM is the distance in meters at which the force arm for fins is applied; From my testing and as can be seen by manpads having very low values. And it is, IMO, the singlr most important stat effecting manuverability. A missile can still turn with bad fin AoA, or with bad fin area. But it will not turn with a bad CM to Stab, (for reference, an Aim-54 with a more normal CM to stab value turns like an Aim-9).
And as far as I can tell, yeah, they’re more or less just there as a way to balance missiles. As ive only ever seen 1 missile line up with IRL figures, although I havent thoroughly researched every missile, so there might be one or two more.
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Yes, the PL-12 has excellent fin area and angle of attack, but this extremely unrealistic distance from Stab to CM in the latest implementation has almost killed its maneuverability. Gaijin’s balancing this time clearly went too far—even to the point of seeming malicious—because I don’t believe they don’t understand what a value like 0.12 actually implies.
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Did they not playtest new PL-12? I saw videos of top tier jets dodging them head-on by simply turning to the side. It’s ridiculous.
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We are the playtesters.
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seeming malicious
Fixed it for ya. We China mains don’t deserve this devious treatment.
And maybe - a big one of that - we can report this for blatant racism once we find the statistical connection between Chinese players and China mains…
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Classic dev struggle
Push to prod, see if there’s any complaints later
Testing ? Nah the qualification environment has been dead for 2 years lmao.
Got to agree with Isurus there, i play Rafale and sometimes can evade or roll AMRAAMs, but from 2-3, maybe 4km if the enemy player fired at a poor angle, but not more than 5, let alone 7-8, at this range it’s notch or die
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should it be taken from center of surface area or center of volume of the control surface?
AIM-120 (all):
“wingAreaMult”: 1.225,
“finsAoaHor”: 0.268941,
“finsAoaVer”: 0.268941,
“finsLatAccel”: 42.2579,
“distFromCmToStab”: 0.175,
PL-12/A:
“wingAreaMult”: 1.4,
“finsAoaHor”: 0.375092,
“finsAoaVer”: 0.375092,
“finsLatAccel”: 41.4036,
“distFromCmToStab”: 0.12,
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wingAreaMult is for the C/D versions the A/B have 1.275, just nitpicking
Dual plane modelling. 🤧
make a bug report with this information
datamined values arent accepted for bug reports
strange, it should be less as the wings are smaller