The 3D modeling of it is the “quickest” portion of development.
Research team is the slowest portion of development [Type 10 says hi, T-90A says hi].
All ten tech trees lack top SPAA as good as their 10.3 and below options, hence OSA leak going to 3 tech trees. A platform that can potentially deal with the threat of AGM-65Gs and Su-25SM3 more consistently than the current rate of zero.
USA lacks a good 5.7 that can be used at 6.7 similar to the TPK.
And Britain lacks a 7.7 option partially because the Falcon has APDS.
Ah yes,it only lacks that,not the fact that the M42 is useless from 5.0 onwards. Or the fact that the M163 is the worse SPAA at Tier V since other systems of other nations beat it either at an anti-air role or anti-tank role.
Or the fact that the M163 is the only SPAA you can bring till 8.7.
Or the fact that the LAV-AD’s Stingers (just like the Stingers of basically every other nation) are nerfed to the ground because otherwise the Su-25 would be dead the moment it spawns.
Or the fact that technically speaking the US doesn’t have a Top Tier SPAA (since the ADATS is classified as a TD)
There’s a reason why US mains prefers doing CAP with planes: it’s far more reliable than using American SPAA systems,most of the times. But you can’t force a gameplay system to players because you (Gaijin) refuse to acknowledge the problem the US and other NATO countries have.
Now look at USSR: they don’t have this problem,if you see a lot of planes up in the sky you take one of your gazillion SPAA and they’re done for.
M163 is equivalent to ZSU-23 and ZSU-37 all sharing similar ranges partially due to their similarly bad tracking radars currently.
As I said in a previous post, they use to all be higher BRs when their tracking radars were good.
Also all ten tech trees prefer using CAP, and the primary reason Germany couldn’t was cause F-4F ICE wasn’t in the game, and Mig-29G was only used sometimes due to its R-73s only.
Also Gaijin did acknowledge this problem multiple times.
Most recent one via dev stream was last dev stream where BVVD talked about new anti-air systems for players.
No? it’s regarding pure cannon ranges,not radar capability.
At Tier V you still don’t need Radars since planes are not equipped,around that BR range,with CCIP or AGMs,the M163 simply is unable to consistently hit targets beyond 2 kms due to how the spread is on its gun
So it’s an excuse to let the 4.3-7.7 gap and the 7.7-9.0 gap to exists?
Not true at all,only NATO ones simply because they lacked strong SPAA options
He never specified for what nation,and judging by this update,i guess we know why…
Adding a good SPAA for 2 NATO countries out of 8 is not enough,since there are 6 left that either have massive holes or they straight up don’t have an option at Top Tier.
You can’t add long-range AGMs to the game without adding more efficient SAM options at the same time or right after because that’s not balance, that’s coercion to force players into using planes exclusively for CAP purposes.
If that’s the case,at this point let’s remove SPAA altogether,since planes do the job all the time
CCIP is only on one jet in 7.7 range: SAAB-105G, and CCIP only increases the dive bomb range from <1km to <2km, maybe 2.5km if you practice hard enough and still miss a lot.
AGMs are exclusively at 9.3 and higher, which is an 8.3 minimum BR, not 7.7.
USA doesn’t have a 7.7 - 9.0 gap, cause it doesn’t have an 8.7 lineup to begin with. It goes from 7.7 to a minor 8.3 lineup straight to a 9.0/9.3 lineup.
Thanks for proving my point that radars are useless in Tier V,so the M163 is worse than the Yenisei and even the Shilka due to worse AA capabilities and worse AT capabilities
“A minor lineup”
M551,M60A1,T95E1,M3 and M60A2 at 8.3
F-86F-25,F9F-8, and F-84F still at 8.3
And that’s RB,in AB you have a bigger lineup at 8.3 and at 8.7 you have at least the XM803
In RB,you have the RISE(P) and the F-86F/A-4B duo also,so not a small lineup nonetheless
Ah yes,10 TTs and less than half of them will receive an SPAA,with half of them being already covered by plenty of SPAA. 200 IQ move here
None of them have top SPAA capable of dealing with correctly played top CAS.
USA lacks something for 5.7 and 6.7 as I and others have stated many times.
And Britain largely lacks an option for 7.7, one of which could be Falcon if Gaijin removed its APDS.
I get people disliking ZSU-23, ZSU-37, and M163 cause they’re more difficult to use than other SPAA.
The fact they’re more difficult is why they’re not 8.3 to begin with.
And the TT SPAA since,you know,the ADATS is not classified as one
France lacks other options as well,the same applies fo Japan Israel and a little bit for Sweden
You know who’s in good shape?USSR,the one that’s getting 2 SPAA this update and that got a SPAA last update
Also,for the last time,you don’t bring the M42 outside its BR because there are other SPAA that are infinitely better than it at the same BR range,so that’s also a problem
Having a radar is still better than not having one, though. Plus, what SPAA above 7.7 lack radar or missiles (that don’t have access to proxy rounds)?
I highly doubt that. Researching a vehicle doesn’t take nearly as long in the vast majority of cases, nor should the writing up of the stat cards, descriptions, whatever.
The Pantsir can deal with the AGMs and Su-25SM3 better than the Osa because it can actually go beyond 15km (the only SPAA in the game that can).
Source?
When there is no SPAA until 9.3, if you play any BR from 8.3-9.0 you’ll still have to use the M163.
the Machbet doesn’t have a radar of any kind, it uses an optical tracker to track aircraft which gives it the hilarious benefit of being able to track drones, but in the Machbet, it’s on you to search for targets
Unfortunately, players who use SPAA’s, are not told at all what leading your shots are. Since SPAA is one of the only vehicles on the ground where leading your shots is required.
(Reviving this after the dev stream) Can Gaijin please stop adding Russian SPAA?
Seriously, it’s getting insane at this point. Instead of adding B1 Draco, Grifo, Polyphem, moving the OTOMATIC down to 10.7 where it can be an SPAA in some regard, etc., they decided to add a Russian export SPAA as a copy-paste to Italy.
Italy is still lacking a real top tier SPAA, and all nations outside of Russia do not have a Pantsir-equivalent in game (although there are options for literally every nation).
I have a feeling they over assume how many people play both ground and air in ground battles compared to ground only players. So they simply thought the best counter for CAS was a fighter.