The rifling made it more accurate for APDS rounds back in the day, it also made the HESH more accurate.
The Challanger 2 is a more accurate tank than say an abrams, as is being proved in ukraine by those using them, that does not mean a smoothbore is less accurate than a rifled gun however.
and accuracy was of no bearing on the choice of cannon for the tank it was based off of the choice of hesh.
Direct you to the most modern compitition of the tanks. in which the CR2 won it.
Spin on a dart is bad, unless you have enough spin to stabilize it in which case you wouldn’t need fins. Which would take a high twist rate and charge behind it to accommodate for this loss in velocity to make it spin enough. Seemingly cheaper and more straight forward to minimize spin, and use APFSDS. As far as I understand it. The things I’m reading online say the same.
Thought I specifically remember reading something in the last couple years that upended this belief in one study where spun darts didn’t perform any different. I’m just going with the generally accepted thought and accepted science behind. However I’ve performed none of it and my knowledge is just repeating what I read online by those in that industry.
No offense, but that really doesn’t mean much. Those competitions aren’t just move and shooting, there’s other silly stuff in there. Almost all tanks in the competition remain unchanged in the last decade as far as barrel and ammunition is concerned and Leo’s have won it other years. So has an Abrams, and different nations do better and worse different years on the shooting portion.
I’m not really invested either way on this, but a competition doesn’t prove much. A bench test(essentially) would be what proves is the most accurate between gun and fcs. But no one is doing that because it doesn’t really matter. They’re all gonna hit their shots and are excellent.
The competitions have different winners in different years, but the guns remain unchanged. A lot of it comes down to crew, not gun, which is why I said it doesn’t mean much. Thought I know the Chally has the longest recorded shot in pretty sure.
im sorry mate, the CR2 won the shooting part of the competition, in all aspects of it, the tank itself has remained more unchanged than any of the other competition, the things obsolete nearly by nato standards.
The CR2s suspension and FCS is why its so accurate as well. especially on the move.
However ukrainian crews have literally described it as a sniper compared to the abrams, or leopards they are using, and they do have leopard 2A6s there so its not exactly old gear. compared to say an M1A1 compared to the A2.
Challanger 1 got a 5km tank kill with HESH.
also as far as im aware ammunition needs to be taken into account as well. as hesh is what is used prodominantly on the CR2 as far as i know.
End of the day im not arguing the rifled barrel is like a rail gun, but it is incredibly accurate compared to how some folks downplay it. Much like some poeple go over board with the whole RPG story.
That’s what I said man, it won this year
Which is sorta my point. They all remain mostly unchanged. The darts and guns are all mostly the same in the last 20 years for all tanks. The challenger won this year. It doesn’t win this aspect every year. which is why I say it’s a unreliable metric. Unless we’re gonna say the Leo’s winning the shooting another year means it was the most accurate until the unchanged challenger(insert any tank here) then beat it the next year. The accuracy doesn’t change, the crews do, and different crews win it year to year.
It’s more down to the crews and all at this point which is what I’m trying to say. Who wins shooting changes from year to year.
The only real way to prove what is the most accurate tank is to do a bench shot, like with a rifle. No nation is gonna do this though for a completion because it’s silly and they all hit stuff at range just fine.
But I think we’re gonna run in circles at this point so I’ll just bow out because to be honest I don’t care, we’re splitting hairs here. Idc which tank is more accurate they’ll all still hit a point target miles away.
the courses and testing metrics do change though its not an identical trial every single competition as well.
not about bowing out man, dont wanna debate it as you say theyre both accurate af, and more so smoothbore now adays as well as better ammunition due to higher velocity, hence the change over to a smoothbore anyways! if anything the accuracy doesnt matter if you can hit a target and do fk all to it.
The L30 cannon now adays just isnt capable for what its needed to do.
as for ingame, the CR2s are genuinely pathetic, i seen one 2 or 3 games ago die to a 3bm15 in 1 tap xD
all nato tanks are like this,
3bm15 should not go through a cr2 hull frontal arc.
in this game it does.
Im painfully aware.
yeah, now go tell gaijin :)
Wish theyd listen man
Brings my T-34-57 into battle, lower plates the CR2
CR2: OHHH SHEEETTT massive explosion
lol sorry I had to
Isn’t it effective past Dart ranges? 4-8 km?
to an extent yes, its effective range is higher, but as for example the use for cost of them they arent particularly worth it, hence the M60A2 and such were all discontinued.
Hesh for example, with the use of the LRF can be fired at ranges up to past 4km and hit accurately, seen in desert storrm, 5.6km.
I think the reason nato doesnt use the launcher system is 1 it would mean an overhaul of the barrels and 2 they have the light tanks designed for it.
that other persons argument was basically, USA doesnt use HE cause they cant design tanks. etc etc.
Marder 3 can do it too…
Well it’s a good thing they don’t carry tons of ATGMs.
I think the biggest benefit, is no loss in penetration over range.
Well… we know that’s not the only reason why…
Something something paper powder charge something something.
Also a terrible engine that didn’t last very long at all.
If the M551 had the same engine I’m sure it would’ve been far shorter lived.
Not just that the electronics and such for the tank were too expensive for the time, and werent up to the task of the time.
What other nations Air vehicles get IRCM…?
Can’t lock a Su-39 with my AIM-9M
Same with a Ka-52.
Tbh all nations has ircm on helis but in planes u are correct
F15i should have ircm or ecm but nope its not russian
be careful
they gonna pull 180 suffering reason why have it and the other 180 suffering reason and tell you why it sucks.