As far as i know, ADATS missile doesn’t overpressure as easily as other ATGMs (check 9M133-9M123 or even TOWs), so you can argue it has decent thermals, muh gun handling blahblahblah, however the missile is still limited on raw damage.
indeed, so what the problem here?
never say they more deadly than 2A7 just say they both equal when both of them facing each other
only UFP anywhere else are the same
sht you talk like leopard/122 are the only one who have it
live in your wall perhaps? I never say Leopard 2A7 are suffer or suck it a good tank yes but not OP magic cube like people love to say it is and didn’t even say BVM are OP around here (you just want me to say it don’t you?) i said both equal when fight each other what you don’t understand about it?
Sweden
yeah about fking time after stuck with Phantom for almost half year
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Never said it was equal to pantsir i just said the tors are good spaa for their BRs.
The ztzs have far superior mobility, decent armour in my experience with the wz1001 and the 99 II and III
The round is marginally worse angled pen is what ? 333? Compared to the 3bm60 being 337 ish.
(Not at the game to check right now)
They arw not modern hellcats at all, they are actually really good mbts and the lineup around it is a strong 12.0 lineup.
Id take the vt4,wz1001 and 99A over the t90M and t80bvm backed up by an 80U and 72B3 any day.
Plus the zbd light is potent af.
You do not need them, the J7 still has the KH28s ? Is it the other TV guided ones which are just as potent.
And the J10 for cap is substantially better than anytning ussr can field.
I played every t series until t72 exept t64
2<6 and without the great range and fnf ability
BlockquoteYou do not need them, the J7 still has the KH28s ? Is it the other TV guided ones which are just as potent.
Which is just fanctually wrong they are not equals.
Okay so it means the frontal arc is no longer penetrable, and the spall liner catches what does.
In the effective manner they are implemented yes it works best for them.
Cr2 is missing half its liners.
The t90M doesnt have one where it matters at all so the LFP and turret shot still do it in.
Who else has them at top tier?
Sweden is the best top tier, however germany rank for rank / Br for BR is a far better tree than sweden.
You did have access to the su22s as well while not great have FnF missiles at least.
But the yeah agreed was poor af.
Statistically they arent equal to each other at all the 2A7 is bounds a head, of even thr roster.
Youre the one who brought up player skill, the lol penning and a myriad of other things, its there in writing buddy further up.
And also, jh7 needs to get in range of spaa to conduct cas, su34 doesnt
While also having access to gbu and other such standoff munitions.
Its not as if the su34 is the best cas out there now with the f15E around.
So the t55s and t62s?
The theres currently 4 t72s in the tech tree and two t90s so
Use cap.
Cap is always supperior to spaa and always will be.
Until mad spaag systems are implemented
still, does not cancel out the cas advantage that long range fnf missles bring.
ive seen pansirs taking down mavericks and pgms, but never adats taking out kh38s
both sides need aiming to kill each other
both sides can’t lol pen each other
how it’s not?
in not like the case like facing BVM in Challenger 2 in CQC one they can lol pen your hull while you can’t is that fair for you?
LFP driver hatch and under the gun just like Russia LFP driver hatch and some area so what the problem?
yes i know
still have them
only MBT aspect CAS good enough yes but nothing so special heli well total garbage
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Yes and from what i saw they looks fun and strong and soon i will use them
The point is until now i had ez grind cuz russia is hella strong and it doesnt seems to change in top tier
No ones debating the pantsir , least not me any ways.
Im well aware it is substantially better than all other spaa.
Cap literally does cancel out cas, the F15A is my current USA cap and su34s are easily taken out by thst.
Never mind the gripen, mirage, f16s etc
It does change a lot.
Russia at 9.3 is far stronger than usa at 9.3 or britain, sweden, italy, france etc.
Germany but is still better, on the cr2 thread i pointed out to dotshini why the lineups for germany are substantially better than those of similar brs.
The 2a7 can penetrate substantially more on the bvm.
Than the bvm can pen on the 2a7.
Also a massive factor bvm does not have a spall liner an 3 crewmen.
Which means when a round does get through it does substantially more damage over the 3bm60 penning the 2a7.
Cr2 is a broken mess and isnt even worth using no matter the situation right now.
On top of that youre harping on about cqc and urban maps, i rarely get them at top tier bar the occasional map thats chopped into a bloody line.
Which benefits literally no one.
Massively understating the fact that the drivers hatch is a far more difficult shot on the 2a7 than the bvm.
Again lfp on the 2a7 has the spall liner helping while the bvm has its ammo carousel.
Not the point and you know it fine well, hower it may have them but if you lfp shot it then kiss it goodbye.
Or the turret face for the breach unlike thw 2a7 where its turret has a more effective spall liner.
What does this even mean
I point out germany BR for BR is the best in game and you say sweden when i rebuttal that you say that only for mbt ? No swedens top tier is better than germany due to a combination of more effective lights, a good cas/cap platform (its no ef2000 but its good) and a decent heli
and? it not like Leopard 2A7 can make BVM entire hull green more or less it still requires both of them to aim weak spot not one side entire hull and other has to aim
for the entire front only this area have spall liner
shoot the diver side then
CAP it is good CAS it nothing special not suck but not something to write about
according to who? you who almost never play heli?
heli without MAW and hellfire (B not even K) at top tier as decent? lol (AHS i have that sht and it not even close to a god damn decent)
so the fact the Leo2a7 can penetrate more on the front of the BVM than the BVM can pen on the 2A7 is not a clear advantage? it doesn thave to make the whole hull green at all.
It certainly is good, 4 x mavericks and 2 9x aim9M on a gripen is a substantially better platform than for example a tornado GR4.
or an AV8B + -
heck its better than the F16s such as the AJ and what not purely for the multiroll capabilities and carried CMs.
according to quite a few people, it isnt a bad heli, just isnt great, hence the decent.
Would you like to go to stats ?
because your stats literally prove the BVM is worse than even the 2a5 if we wanna go there.
But lets not mate im not here to debate this fact.
Idk anyone I ask about China, always say it’s a better Russia
Italy??? What about Italy??
Theyre like a combo shot, imagine T72B3 equivelant protection, but with the fastest top tier MBT, and 34kmph reverse.
As well as a reload the same as the T90/ T72s, with a very similar round.
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