True and tbh seeing russian mains crying is so annoying
Dude look at minor nations like japan and israel like come on
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They keep telling people to aim their weak spot but never like to do it themselves.
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the DM53 fired from the 2A7 can lol pen the BVM through more areas than the BVM can pen the 2A7. Substantially more due to the spall liner.
The abrams can pen the 2A7 better than the BVM, reloads faster, has better mobility, and better optics unless im mistaken there.
Not a russian main.
Got USA, Germany, Russia, Britain, China and japan all at top tier.
Im objectively looking at trees and tanks that are falling behind their counterparts. I am not saying the BVM is a bad tank, but the T series tanks are slowly becoming more obsolete with every update, and upgrade to NATO tanks.
Hell youve got a DM53 slinger now in both Italy and france.
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Japan is lacking equipment however the type 10s combination of fast reload, decent round and great mobility make it a formidably opponent, its the next 12.0 im going to get .
Israels merkavas now have that 5 seccond reload as well so they have at least that and some mobility.
Unlike say britain, where the CR2s are nearly useless in top tier, or france where stuff like vextra doesnt get its F2 dart just so it sits at 9.7 rather than give it the round and move it to 10.3 or whatever higher BR,
or leclerc where its armour is effectively non existent and the reload is longer than it should be compared to IRL sources. Its kept at 5 seconds for “balance”.
the big 3 objectively need to be put on a back burner and let trees as you say like japan, isreal, france and britain get some patches, even italy needs them for the arietes.
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and? still require both to aim anyways more areas or not it’s irrelevant (sht man Russian lol pen everyone hull for years i don’t see much of the problem here with a little bit more areas)
Abrams have no hull armor and easy to one shot too sure it unfair for abrams to go toe to toe with 2A7 (tbh it unfair to anyone without hull armor to go against 2A7 head on)
No they did not, the 3MB60 was never a lol pen round. and my first top tier was the god damn CR2 and i can tell you that.
It very much is relevant considering the spall liner on the 2A7 if the round isnt absolutely perfect will stop a kill shot, even stop shots that would otherwise leave it unable to respond, however the STRV122 and 2A7 both can tank more hits than a BVM in a larger area. The BVM has the same weak points as every T series tank.
The Dm53 out of an L/55 caliber gun is a massive improvement over the 3bm60 wither you want to admit it or not. It allows more leniency in the shots placed by the 2a7, same as from a 2a6. the difference is a 2a6 has the 2a4 hull for whatever reason.
Abrams has substantially more turret armour, is more mobile, has a far better reload anda round thats near enough on par with the DM53 L/55.
the frontal armour of every tank is made irrelevant by both the DM53 and the M829A2 rounds there is about 2 tanks in game right now they cannot lol pen clean through the front.
This mantra of the abrams is bad is absolutely ridiculous, we now have 11.7 abrams with a 5 seconds reload AND m829A2 rounds. They should all be 12.0 with those rounds.
There is literally no difference between the M1A2 sep and the M1A1 HC now bar thermal quality.
Abrams behind the leopard 2A7 and STRV 122 is the 3rd best MBT in the game! its combination of
Good mobility
5 second reload.
M829A2 round
good turret armour
And a good profile.
Make it one of the best MBTS in game, compared to leclercs, type 90s, cr2s, merkavas, arietes and every T series bar the BVM.
The BVM is either on par or slightly behind the abrams in terms of effectiveness.
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I would take any t series tank insted if abrams
T series has much better armor and low profile which imo better then reload and bit more pen
It has a decent frontal arc sure, but the breach shot and survivability once penned is some of the worst in game.
as well as this, it has extremely poor gun depression. and substantially worse mobility.
wether you would choose the abrams or not is irrelevant to the stats of the actual vehicles.
The abrams has more defining charactaristics allowing it to be a more versitile and effective tank overall. The biggest issue with the abrams are the teams lf muppets in premiums, same as russia at 10.3 is plagued with it.
They can lol pen anyone hull that not uparmored Leopard
You mean slow big ass size tanks with no armor? Yeah i know it i also have them to 2E while my performance on it are okay i will never say that thing is good
Try diver hatch it work wonders plus if first shot land and disable them they are just like other tanks the target waiting to be finish off
Same go as 2A7 once people know it weak spot it the same it not like it changing every day
Turret armor good? Yes it is but average map of this game that in city cqc it really don’t help much when entire hull was green to anything above dm33
Talking about real everyday match that is
You can say this that or those tanks have more advantages all you like but if the maps are not allow them to use those advantages it gonna end up sht in environments that doesn’t suit them like CV90120 for example good optics LWS for good situation awareness small and fast but those advantages help it in abandoned factories map? No
MBT are the same Challenger 2 can be excellent at long range sniper but when they force to fight in map like sweden against Russia what else can it do?
Uparmored Leopard and Russian tanks are not force to play around it weakness everyday because they have armor to back it up
Other don’t .
T series has great mobility sure t90 has only 60 km max and bad revarse
but acceleration and turning are great
And the gun deppresion is not great but ur low profile makes up for it most of the time so its not that bad
By that metric so can literally everyone. They did not lol pen everyones hull everywhere frontally for years.
For a start they still had to aim for weak points same as anyone else.
That big ass tank thats supposed to have plenty armour, tell me I also had the m1A1 and the type90s and they wouldnt get “lol penned” by the 3BM60.
im talking about before the 2E was even released.
Ah yes the tiny drivers hatch on the 2a7 or 122 is comparible to the LFP of the BVM, driver hatch AND the front of the turret arc which can not only kill crew and disable half the tank.
that applies to literally any tank but youre completely ignoring the fact that it is objectively more difficult to disable the 2a7 in a way it cant retreat and return fire in one shot compared to the BVM.
the 2A7 has the spall liner, also has improved armour over the other leopards making the weak spots smaller it also makes the chance of one hitting it or disabling it substantially lower than compared to the BVM.
Id like to see a source to back that up cause most maps im getting are not city maps, and the ones that do have urban parts on them also have completely different areas to go to that have hills and good hull down spots.
Its a pretty poor long range sniper considering the dart sucks, the turret model is completely fk’d and only has two small parts on the cheeks that are usuable as well as being massive and slow it struggles to get to any good sniping spots like an abrams can.
My last howdver many games were not on city maps at all. i think out of the past 10 games 2 were city maps.
Russian tanks or the BVM? the BVM still suffers in the mobility area, depression area and ofc the LFP area.
Im sorry to say that russian tanks are not some power houses in the game anymore and havent been for some time.
The BVM is good, but thats it.
The T series do not have great mobility at all.
The T90A , T80U and such do not turn great at all and the depression is massively detrimental and has gotten me killed far more times than id like to admit.
the meta has been for years the STRVs followed by the leopards-
The only reason BVM got so much of a spotlight was because this narrative that it was unstoppable, which drew all the good players to it.
Notice how as soon as the leo2a7 and new 122 dropped the russian win rates tanked?
The tanks suck man
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Well i didnt played them only the t72 but they look a ton of fun and im grinding russia rn and its the easiest grind i had maybe exept low tier germany
Yeah russia have to aim yeah
Try not to shoot turret cheek that the definition of aiming right?
Hard but Not impossible good aim always win the days
Better than going CQC with it you’ll live longer
That completely skill issue on their side they never face enemy with equal level of armor in large numbers
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Yeah tank with one of the best shell and hull down turret have a hull that can be penned by anyone but when Russia DOING IT !!! Heretic !!! that a russian biased
Damn aiming for the big LFP that can be penned even when angling is hard
Wait you telling me when USSR player starting to adapt to the new meta tank they start getting better WR !?!?!?!??!?!?!?
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What do you mean you havent played htem ? what tanks havent you played i brought up a lot of them there, T72 A or the T72 line for example?
I cant see what tank youre compring that too is it a 2a6 or STRV122? but this literally applied for every tank like i said. The DM53 from the 2A6 would absolutely rip through the BVM BAR the ERA slope on the front that was it. considering the Leo2a6 would sit above the BVM as well it means you would be firing down into the ERA where you can literally lol pen most of the frontal arc of the BVM, which was one tank.
You take a lineup with you, the 2A5, 2A6 2 PL and 2a4 were a better combo than the BVM, T72B3, T80U and T90. SPAA ofc russia is top dog with the pantsir that isnt up for discussion.
THAT LITERALLY APPLIES TO EVERYTHING.
a BVM is no more deadly than a 2a7 providing you can aim.
HOWEVER the 2A7 survives more shots than a BVM ever will due to the improved armour, spall liner and far superior round. this point is completely irrelevant and your trying to brush off the fact the 2a7 right now is far supperior to the BVM, hell the abrams is literally better than the BVM now due to the reload buff and M829A2 round. Once it gets finally the patches for the turret ring and fuel tanks its gonna be up there with the 2a7 and 122.
I dont go CQC with the CR2s i just stopped using them completely when i realised they are the worst MBTs at top tier statistically speaking. look amazing but not worth the headache of having to sweat my trim off just to do will with it. comapred to the 2a5 and 2a6 where i can turn my brain off xD
Im sorry but this is not an arguement at all.
So by this metric everyone facing the BVM had skill issue?
or that the fact it had such a hype drew all the better players in, hence why so many guys in top squadrons have absolutely thosuands of battles with it.
@ARK_BOI russian bias lives in your walls man, Germany by far is the best ground tree in game especially at top tier now it has an EF2000 for cas as well.
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this mantra of russian bias is pretty tiresome now adays isnt it.
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checked your stats just to answer my previous question.
How are the merkavas btw as im going for them soon?
But the russian tree just gets more annoying and worse after the T72A, you essentially stay the same while everyones tanks around you upgrade. until you get to the likes of the BVM and such.
It is a great TD actually he isnt wrong with that statement. Edit : compared to other spaa and such of the br
Also with teh buff to the missiles ive seen people doing exponentially better at AA with them, finally.
good spaa : hq-7 is not as good as pansir in both range, radar and guns
good tanks: The chinese ztz-99a has equally bad reload, much weaker armor profile, and a weaker round, they are basically modern hellcats.
CAS: yeah the jf17 and the jh7 are good, but non of them have KH38MLs
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