Congratulating someone for doing their job does not make me a bootlicker, on the other hand you seem to enjoy grovelling to this thread more so maybe consider reciprocating that comment.
So far I haven’t deleted any comment in this thread and any of my messages that have gone were removed by a mod, this ‘double standard’ is completely non-existent and only serves to demonstrate the fact that you deserve some hard earned time away from the forums.
One is an IR based MANPAD adapted for use on vehicles (in this case the gepard, of which the stingers have been sort of ‘strapped on’ to the Oerlikons, it’s not a properly integrated system)
The other is a designated SHORAD platform equipped with SACLOS (manually guided) SAMs and Close-in AA guns complete with a radar system designed around the missiles
These are not comparable systems in any way but layout and comparing the two doesn’t really get you anywhere. The Gepard 1A2 is directly comparable to a vehicle like the Machbet, ZSU-23 (with iglas) or LAVAD while the Ozelot is directly comparable to the Santal, chapparals and type 93.
The 2K22 on the other hand is more comparable to an ADATS or ITO-90
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Ignore him mate.
He didnt even respond to the last part i left hes just a troll… I mean the response to you got removed by mods.
Dont waste your time or effort.
r77 is indeed weaker than it should and that is a large problem for Ru players in ARB.
But those nato counterparts to russian tanks r not that great, Only the swedish, the germans and the Italians get decent tanks. For the rest (France, Israeli, GB and mabye the US), they either have poor armor profile, poor firepower or terrible mobility, sometimes even two of the three, just look at the chally if anyone wants to cry about "bad T-80bvm"s. Additionally, even if Italy has a great tank in the form of the hungarian A7, they are quite lacking in backup mbts which means once they die in their A7s, the Italian players would struggle in direct combat, due to the Ariete being a hellcat without a mobility advantage, their lack of usuable spaa just adds to the issue. The case with germany is similar, the L2A6 is a much better backup to the L2A7, but its UFP is pennable by pretty much every tank APFSDS above 10.3, not to mention Germany’s lack of mobile light tanks and good spaa.
Overall, with the combination of T-80BVM and T-90M for the first-spawn tanks, the T-72B3, T-80U and T-80UE-1 as second spawn tanks, the toptier lineup of Russia is very potent and great at brawling, the combined strength of quantity and quality can best all other strong techtrees, except, perhaps Sweden. Additionally, the support vehicles such as the 2s38, 2s25m and the bset spaa Pansir makes the lineup competent in many situations. That is, not counting the overpowered KH-38ML mounted on the Su-34 which allows evapotration of entire teams and the recently buffed su-27sm acting as a fighter-bomber that has high missle capacity, the russian top-tier lineup is almost perfect.
Indeed, the lineup is not perfect, its helis lack fnf missles, its attacker is not as much a fighter as the F-16C or the F-15E or the Rafale, but it has the best overall performance which no other tech-tree has. In other words, those with equal or better mbts do not have as good avation or support vehicles, those with better avaition are worse in terms of tanks, and there are those who are worse in all regards. Therefore, buffing the russian tanks even more would just further strengthen a strong nation
Of course,one can argue that some Russian vehicles are weaker in others, such as the 2s3b being slower and larger than the HSTV-L, such as the BVM being less powerful than the A7 or the Strv122s, but while comparing the Russian vehicles against the best of each field, one automatically excludes the weaker, but still important vehicles.
Take, for example, tanks. Yes the bvm is weaker than the A7, but, in terms of the entire game, BVM is better than any tanks from Israeli, America, France, Great Britian and China. 5 Entire Techtrees, Literally half of the game.
Even if one only considers nations with a large playerbase, namely the big three. It is undeniable that the Russian vehicles are in no way weak. The abrams have a huge UFP that can be penned by DM33 and a neck that can be penned by literally anything, and once anything penns, it takes out the hydraulic which renders the tank hardly able to aim. Not to mention that the Abrams get a much bigger engine noise than T-80 and has worse sights. Vast amounts of Click-bait and AIM buyers (AND RDF-LT buyers) have plagued the US top-tier games since their debut since the abrams is essentially a glass cannon. The T-80UE-1 buyers at least have armor and better optics. Plus, the current map rotation favors brawlers as there are far more short-distance urban maps which gives Russia another advantage.
Russian vehicles may make people very uncomfortable with their limitations and more fixed roles, but they are far from weak
The M1A1 and above abrams UFP cannot be penned by DM33 at any reasonable angle unless youre firing down into it, whivh is the same for almost any tank against DM33 and above.
Ariete, merkava, leclerc and CR2 can all be one shot by any tank, 2.3 is the lowest ive trialed with CR2.
the abrams is not a glass cannon, the ariete is the abrams is what 3rd best mbt in game? behind hte STRV122 and 2A7? the abrams is better than the 2a6 and 2a5 due to being more mobile, better pofile, better turret armour and a better round depending if its the a5 or a6, with a faster reload.
That is nothing to do with the quality of the tank, its to do with the players of them.
they all do the same for Ru 10.3 and absolutely fold the win rates there too.
With T80UDs, 2s38, Su25ks and Turms.
Every single game ive played in US tanks rn was on long range maps, we lost due to the players on the team.
Not the tanks.
also id like a source for that as most maps im getting arent CqC maps or urban.
T80UE-1 has
As much as it pains me to say it, russian vehicles at top tier do suck.
The BVM is literally the only good one out them all the T90M is just another T72 clone essentially shoot the LFP or next to the breach and its toast.
the T72B3 reverse speed, and survivability are ridiculous.
7.1 second reload is a massive hinderance at that BR.
T80U same old story, 3bm46 is one of the worst rounds you can see at that BR 306 angled pen is piss poor.
the addition of 2A7s, 2A6s and other such crazy dart throwers to more and more trees is making tanks like the russian ones, or chinese ones, slowly obsolete.
wether you want to admit that or not is different but the facts there in the numbers of the vehicles performance.
Abrmas is up there with the best in the game rn due to its combination of multiple different capabilities.
well:
T-90m for armor
T-80Bvm for speed
Everyone out loads you, everyone snipes all weak points easily.
Therefore I don’t agree with Russian tanks being better than their NATO counterparts in game.
Germany and Sweden have the best ground trees in the game by far the only real area Russia is dominant in, is in the Helicopter tree, which makes sense that they should be.
It terms of support vehicles, every nation has an area where their support vehicles are superior to another nation’s so on and so forth.
Lastly, everyone says “Pansir OP! Please nerf!” It’s really not. It is very easy to over g the aams, they’re fast and good in a straight line, that’s about it.
If we want to talk about OP, the Adats is technically the best tank destroy / multi role vehicle in the game, albeit its a glass cannon.
Also, yes the R-77 under preforms, it should be as good if not slightly better than amramm
They also buffed the overload of the ADATs missiles as well so its not as bad either.
They are better than the minor nations stuff like, CR2 , ariete, merkava, leclerc and type 10 i think not but yeah
This argument literally is terrible as a point.
Yes the Bvm is stronger than X tank, but Leo2a7 is okay ???
Like what??
Also I cannot agree with your thinking in what tank is best.
The best nations go:
Germany, Sweden, Japan / USA, China, Russia, France, Britain, Israel, Italy
The reload always gets me in Russian tanks, so I would take a Type 10 > a BVM easily.
Yeah thats what i mean, the leclercs and type 10s have that reload and mobility advantage.
Really all russian tanks have is thier armour and now adays that aint worth much considering leopard 2a7 and 122s have more effective armour and round.
You do realize that something has to be right? If France was better would you be on about that?
Where did i say L2A7 is okay?
BlockquoteThe best nations go:
Germany, Sweden, Japan / USA, China, Russia, France, Britain, Israel, Italy
China is nowhere as good as Russia, beside that u r pretty much right
They’re both are equal when facing each other
you can’t lol pen them they can’t lol pen you
both require some aiming to effectively kill each other
fair and square
you really expect to solve everything by aiming anywhere at enemy hull and expected to easy kill when playing Russia all the time?
Hows it not?
Got good spaa , some pretty damn mobile mbts that are quite good as well.
Gotta say the 11.0s for china could easily be 11.3
Ive nearly got the VT4 as well and used the wz1001 a little bit, and its mobility is absolutely phenomenal.
They have 3 highly (phone crapped itself had to post and edit this here) mobile mbts at top tier, 2 tor systems and a decent light tank.
Combined with the J7 or J10 for cap/cas and they are a pretty good top tier linup
Russia has the pantsir, T80BVM and the su34?
2a7 is vastly supperior to the bvm only falling short.in top speed.
yeah, it is and?
both require aiming some weak spot for killing each other anyways
neither 2A7 nor BVM can lol pen each other
i say it a fair fight