Serious Balance Issues with Russian Vehicles in War Thunder

Don’t add it, and therefore, don’t talk about balance. You’re doing the exact same thing most of you guys accuse US mains of doing.

All T-64/80, not just the mentioned, it’s same 6 sec for T-80B/64B for all rounds except ATGM

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When you team isn’t total dog water m1a1 clickbait/HC is a pretty good vehicle, but there are still things that need to be fixed on most vehicles at top tier. I don’t think its about any 1 nation being worse than others but there are definitely some vehicles that need more attention when it comes to the damage models.

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It wouldn’t defeat the chode dart that’s for sure

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Moving Russian vehicles up in BR for the sake of moving them is a bad idea.

2S25 9.3 → 9.7 3BM46 added. 9.7 is a gap for Russia and the 2S25 is pretty mid with only 3BM42. Consider the Sabra at the same BR that also ha s high tier round. And 3BM46 isn’t even that strong to begin with.

IS-2 (1943) 6.3 → 6.0 AFAIK pretty much everyone agrees both IS-2s are overtiered. If necessary, remove BR-412D.

IS-2 (1944) 6.7 → 6.3

BMD-4M 9.3 → 9.7 APFSDS added. Same reason as the 2S25, to expand the 9.7 lineup.

T-72B 10.3 → 10.0. The T-72B is a pretty terrible vehicle currently. Removing 3BM42 isn’t even necessary. It shouldn’t be two BR steps above the T-64B.

T-62 8.7 → 8.3. Th3 T-62 is insanely powercrept. It feels more like a sidegrade of the T-55A. Longer reload but better shell.

T-34 (1941) 4.0 → 3.7. I’m not sure why this one was moved up to 4.0 in the first place. It’s a T-34 (1940) with a better gun.

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Just a sad vehicle overall, you can prep a meal before that thing reloads.

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Why NOT talk about balance? It’s a game, it’s supposed to be fun, otherwise things like panthers, m60s, t-80s would absolutely dominate

Vextra, Type 16 and 2C being great for top tier ? M1128 is easily on par with those for top tier.
PUMA is trash and Spikes aren’t much better either.

They’re decent for top tier, your little 2S25M with every pixel covered in pay to win bushes is great too. BMP2M as well, probably the best. Then the HSTVL and RDF.
Nah Spikes are great. Almost never misses against helis for the last month or two. Very important to take out Kamov zombies

50% is expected as M1s are clearly not below average.

If US players magically sucked then there would be a difference between servers, there isn’t, so you’re full of it.

Marking valid arguments as strawman is totally on you buddy.

Strawman can be valid arguments, just not in this conversation lol

You want M1s to be by far the best tanks

I said they’re 40-45% material and I want them at 50% like every vehicle. So you’re saying a light buff would make the Abrams the “best tanks by far” hahaha the delusion is actually insane. Fun fact they’ll still be good tanks in Ukraine even if they are nerfed to hell in cope thunder

They have no crippling downsides, which can’t be said for bias mobiles.

Only crippling downside in the bias mobiles sits between the gaming chair and the screen

All of them have pretty shitty rounds with shitty reloads as well. That is, if you think OFL 105 F1 is bad for top tier standards lol.
M1128 is still easily on par with those.

Good against helicopters that might not even spawn.
Trash against tanks that will always spawn.
It doesn’t look good for PUMA.

Who said only US region sucked ?
Most ODL wallet warriors suck and US is the nation with most of them apparently.

They’re already 50% worthy.

You would need to buff them substantially to mitigate the Click-Bait spam.

That’s correct in your case, as obviously you did worse in your bias machine that in other, suffering vehicles.

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All of them have pretty shitty rounds with shitty reloads as well. That is, if you think OFL 105 F1 is bad for top tier standards lol.

I took my Type 16 to top tier many times with less pen and did just fine. Cope how you need to tho

Good against helicopters that might not even spawn. Trash against tanks that will always spawn. It doesn’t look good for PUMA.

Professional straw grasper

Who said only US region sucked ? Most ODL wallet warriors suck and US is the nation with most of them apparently.

Lol yeah so they magically suck across the world if they happen to want an Abrams. If the devs themselves admitted it was rigged you’d still try to play it down.

They’re already 50% worthy.

Just a lie you tell yourself to cope with your inferiority complex.

You would need to buff them substantially to mitigate the Click-Bait spam.

But I never said that the Abrams was the only problem with US or that it should be buffed until US is at 50% lmao, the whole ground and heli lineup needs to be revamped.
But there you go again with the strawman lol, never won a fair fight in your life.

That’s correct in your case

“n-n-no u!!!” jesus christ how embarrassing

as obviously you did worse in your bias machine that in other, suffering vehicles.

I take the thermal-less, bush-less T80UM2 with my Flanker and 29 (so to 12.7*) and play it like a press W machine and I still do 1.6. It just proves my point. If I played it like a sweat, ez 2.0 k/d or more, but it would feel like cheating and that’s more your style

edit : reporting this post just makes it more correct :)

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Excuse me what? The 2s25 is huge XD

He babies that thing, must be like 6 bushes on that bih. Legit only the barrel sticks out

Spikes are on the meh to bad end. If they were a bit more consistent it’d be nice

They’re better used against helis or light tanks and SPAA, if you’re sitting on a point you can take out the ERA covered tanks but that’s more meh for sure

Spikes are on the meh to bad end. If they were a bit more consistent it’d be nice

And M1128 can do the same thing, stop trying to make US tech worse than they really are.

You’ll meet much more tanks than helicopters, that’s just a fact.
You trying to deny it is your own issue buddy.

They suck across the world in any premium as they installed the game 3 hours ago lol. Click-Bait/AIM combo just attracts more of those.

Click-Bait spam is the biggest problem of US, fix that and you’ll be at 50% without anything else changing.

Yes, it’s embarrassing to claim something is a bias, propaganda machine that easily eats everything else while performing below your account average with it.
You did this with PUMA as well when saying it’s great. Meanwhile you barely passed 1 K/D in it.

Thermals mean nothing in your CQC environments.
UM2 is still a really mobile vehicle that has overperforming biased ERA eating shots like it’s nothing.
It still has the same old 6.5s autoloader that sends enemy shells to the void. 3BM46 is more than enough to lolpen stuff that aren’t uparmored Leopards.

Good thing that you played it like a press-W machine as it’s the only playstyle it thrives in, good job playing it optimally lol.

I guess even with all of that bias installed in your vehicle you couldn’t perform better than in the 2nd worst MBTs in the game by your own words.

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So what am getting here you assume us , the one who are not agreeing with you, are casual and just want to get easy win in a broken nation ?

Damn. Surely Italy/Isreal/France/Jap tank are good, top tier even

And M1128 can do the same thing

Where did the goalposts go? Lol Stryker is huge and wheeled, it’s tragic.

You’ll meet much more tanks than helicopters, that’s just a fact. You trying to deny it is your own issue buddy.

… Okay? Spikes can be used on both and russian helis are a bigger threat to my teammates esp. Flakrad and ADATS lmao.

Click-Bait spam is the biggest problem of US, fix that and you’ll be at 50% without anything else changing.

Nyet, Clickbait isn’t the biggest issue, ADATS is far more lacking vs its threats than the Abrams. Even your fellow bias apologists will agree lol

performing below your account average with it

My account average isn’t spent in full uptiers brainlet. Only the UM2

UM2 is still a really mobile vehicle that has overperforming biased ERA eating shots like it’s nothing.
It still has the same old 6.5s autoloader that sends enemy shells to the void. 3BM46 is more than enough to lolpen stuff that aren’t uparmored Leopards. Good thing that you played it like a press-W machine as it’s the only playstyle it thrives in, good job playing it optimally lol. I guess even with all of that bias installed in your vehicle you couldn’t perform better than in the 2nd worst MBTs in the game by your own words.

Lol he’s fully lost it. Now the 2nd worst T80 is an invincible death machine even in a full uptier and the bad reverse speed no longer matters in CQC (keep in mind this was a “crippling downside” like what 20 minutes ago? his words not mine).

All this crazy flipflopping just cause he’s seething at my stats. Poor insecure little guy.

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The Type 16 is longer and taller than the Stryker, it also happens to have wheels.

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Type 16 is huge and wheeled.
M1128 also has a much better round with better gun handling and crewless turret. It also has more gun depression.

You’re spewing more and more nonsense buddy, I guess soon enough 7.0 lights will be better than the Stryker.

They can be used on tanks but with fairly limited success. They also need some distance before becoming useful at all, so they’re literally useless on small maps with lots of hard cover.

That’s why you spawn air, as it’s the only real counter to CAS.

I doubt UM2 cares about that though as it retains all built in bias features.

UM2 retains all features you’re constantly crying your eyes out about, so there’s no way out of this one, buddy.

You said reverse speed and gun depression aren’t important in CQC and that having smaller weakspots is crucial in the meta.
Guess that your own stats are contradicting everything you have to say, that’s comical but sadly it isn’t anything new with people populating these threads.

Meanwhile you’re having a massive meltdown over tanks that you perform below average in.
I guess you hate RU that much IRL, huh ?

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I think it does sorta stack it has to for at least some degree. As long as the timing is right, it could potentially send 4 plates up into the dart. I’m not sure how that timing would work, but seems plausible in theory.

Though as I’m re-reading this convo, I’m seeing maybe he means the 4 adjacent squares to the impact point would stack and not that some era on tanks are double stacked on top of each other which is what I’m referring to.

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Better let Gaijin know lil bro