Serious Balance Issues with Russian Vehicles in War Thunder

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716

Sure, add me and let’s do a few, i’ll take the SM (i don’t have typhoon)
Ope, looks like you don’t either…

What I wrote didn’t mean that the deflection was perfectly proportional all the time but thanks for clarifying

Human loaders could reload even faster than 5.0, and 5.0 is only possible with ace top level crew (which beginner players tend not to have on their click bait). 5.3 with expert, and the slightest crew damage takes that up to well over 7 seconds (higher than T90M)
Either way rate of fire is not the meta. Bouncing rounds is, it gives you a massive opportunity to kill or at least pen the enemy tank, which on an Abrams means gimped or frozen reload.
T80s are far more likely to bounce rounds especially from beginner players than the other way around, they’re therefore far superior.

  • ROF didn’t make the Abrams perform any better
  • Armor buff made Leopards into such a menace that the devs hardcoded the MM to pair GER with RU

Flyer plate ERA overperforms in at least one way, and that’s the fact that its effectiveness doesn’t decrease as the angle of impact approaches 90 degrees.

717

2S38 is op? You never played it before?

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718

I rly dont need to play it
If it was just me u maybe be correct but there is so many ppl that think like me and just look at that
auto canon with 250 pen that have good thermals and lws oh and dont forget the annoying proxy rounds
Why its 10.3, when hstvl is much higher?
The first abrams is 10.7 and it top round is no more then 300 pen if im correct and its an mbt!
2s38 is broken skilless clasic russian bias at its finest

719

You have not reached 10.0. How can you know either of those vehicle are unbalanced ? Tell me , how can a person who have not played that BR , have not played or even owned those vehicle can talk about vehicle balancing

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720

Yeah cause they can’t kill an big boxy IFV that barely have any armor. Have you considered aim better and stop sucking ? Maybe watch the map ? The flank to avoid getting flanked ?

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721

Ofc it has no armor its a light tank wtf is this dumb argument?
2s38 is better at everything then even 11.X light tanks exept maybe in mobility so why its 10.3?
U probably think that the chines missile carrier with 1200 pen at 9.7 is balance right?
Cuz it has no armor
And its not big at all+wallet warriors bush this think like its a christmas tree

722

That a skill issue , even if the thing is bushed you can easily kill the thing ? It doesn’t require weakspot pen to be killed , why the cry about bushes ? Bro now blaming P2W , as if the thing is a small IFV

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723

Let’s actually turn this into a list of Russian vehicles that need a BR change, because while I agree the 2s38 is a bit much for 10.x, at the same time things like the T-72B are underwhelming and should move down, I’m fine with the BMP-3 moving a step down and being “replaced” with another BMD-4 in a later update too, also, I’d switch the Tunguska and Strela around as well.

724

The problem isnt to kill the thing when i see it
The problem is that it has the best fire power in this br with good thermals (gen3) mobility and lwr and its aa as well.
It can spot u way more easily and dont forget it has unmanned turret so its even stronger in a hull down position.

Fox has no armor too so why it was so op when it was added?
God its like im talking to a level 20 wallet warrior
I bet u has the 2s38 and u just dont want it to go up in br

725

I dont agree tanguska can even go up in br its better then the tor
Also i think t72b is fine where it is

726

This doesn’t make sense, fox have way better profile compare to the 2S38. It is strong at 10.3 but in no world it is OP. Hull down is not much of a problem if you just , you know , hit the thing ? It mobility is mid at best , the problem is still it size and it gun handling. And the AA ability is barely matter in ground , when you can strafe it ? It is the amount of skillless take that make the 2S38 an unstoppable beast , not the vehicle itself is broken. Also letting a big boxy IFV spotting you first then that either on you or your team letting the flank open. And any IFV could have done the same anyway, it is not a special case for the 2S38, that is a no brainer take. 2S38 could go up but listing those problem and act like 2S38 is the only one having all these is just peak skill issue moment.

727

Hard disagree on the Tunguska, post-missile physics rework it’s never been good at really anything other than anti-heli stuff.

T-72b suffers from no reverse gear, no thermals, and having a weak armor profile. Granted everything is more or less one shottable around the 10.x area.

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728

So far, my experience with China is limited to this lineup;

Chinaa

But even now I can tell China is, and will be, my favourite Ground nation in Top Tier (talking exclusively about ground vehicles, no clue about C*S or helis).

As far as I can tell from Al-Khalid I, and assuming ZTZ/WZ/VT-4 offer a similar experience, China is literally, simply put, a better Russia.

Can you imagine Russian tanks, but with NATO-like reverse speeds, neutral steering and generally better mobility overall? That’s what Chinese tanks are.

Sure, bit worse gun handling and side armor, but the significantly better mobility makes up for it in my opinion.

And just wait till all the Chinese tanks get their missing spall liners once and for all. I can’t fathom how Gaijin still hasn’t added them with the extremely detailed and comprehensive bug reports proving their entire interiors should be coated in these.

I literally can’t wait to get ZTZ-99A- but I will, because I want to grind the tree properly. First, I will get TOR-M1, or even just PGZ04A at least (currently researching). Then, I may either continue the ZTZ line (currently on ZZTZ96A) or advance more on the VT-4 line, which I left at M41D. I don’t know which tank line I will go first for, but I know for sure, I need a functional SPAA first.

Apparently, TOR-M1 was meh at 12.0; but, now that it’s 11.0, it fits my 11.0 grinding lineup quite well, and I imagine it will be much better down here at 11.0 than it was at the same BR as Pantsir.

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729

You haven’t played the HSTV-L either.

I’ve played both, and the HSTV-L is wayyy better. 2S38 is a troll vehicle so people mald when they get killed by it.

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730

The thing I don’t like about China is the targeting speed, especially the vertical. It’s such a pet peeve of mine when a tank has bad vertical targeting speed. Makes me instantly dislike a tank way more.

That’s why I love the Leclerc so much. Other than it being sexy it also has arguably the best gun handling at top tier along with the Russian MBTs because it can aim over the engine deck.

In fact, it’s better than Russian MBTs because it has 8 degrees of gun depression.

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731

I see, interesting! It’s funny how Leclerc’s gun handling is only a relatively recent fix. Till not so long ago, it was 30/20 instead of 40/40.

In my case, the deal breaker is 1st Gen thermals, hahah.

I have Sweden, but I don’t play it at all because of the Strv 122s’ 1st gen gunner thermals.

They are literally perfect and flawless in each and every single other way; perfect gun handling (besides engine bay inconvenience), good shell, great acceleration and top speed, good reverse speed, best armor profile and effectiveness, interior fully coated in spall liners, great ammo placement…

But the 1st Gen gunner thermals alone are enough to make me just go like… ew, nope. XD.

Same reason why I don’t play Germany either. I prefer Leopard 2A7V over the 122s for the thermals, but, once 2A7V is gone, all other MBTS have the same 1st Gen gunner thermals as the 122s, so… F.

732

Troll or not the 2S38 is a better Otomatic at a way lower BR and that has a big impact on the game

733

I mostly agree, but the Otomatic is just overtiered and a bit sad where it currently is.

I’d put the 2S38 at 10.7, because 11.0 might be too high. It just doesn’t have the mobility to keep it competitive, unlike other tanks.

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734

And why its a akilless vehicle?
Bcuz all the thibbg i said earlier bruh god testing me here
Also gun handling is bad?
Way too strong fire power for a light tank in 10.3

735

Oh well i guess Britain need better CAS with FnF then since their tanks are even worse than Russia they need them to get a kill right?
What kind of logic is that? Need CAS to get tank kills sound like skill issue to me