Serious Balance Issues with Russian Vehicles in War Thunder

Your answer doesn’t say you’re not a troll, just that there’s worse ones 😂

Why would ppl waste 600 sp to get killed by a pantsir after spawn?

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Yeah so now I have just lost all my energy and now i’m being locked by 4 different Jets who now have the upper hand so not only do you now have to again dodge all those missiles and somehow regain the upper hand there’s still a Panstir firing from 20km away… It’s ridiculous how they Nerf the Roland system but let Russia have their BS.

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If you get killed by the Pantsir in those right after spawning I think that’s totally on you.

Is this you projecting on us? If the BMP2M is so damn dominating, why do you have an 0.4 k/d k/battle in it? Where is that domination from such an under-BR’d vehicle? Just another clueless take. And as someone who plays China as much as you do, you know it’s a bit rich be saying anything, when we have access to such things:

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conveniently forgets that US, German and Israel with their AGM65 at 8.7

What the definition of UFO by your standard I wonder?

Anger how about i don’t know use TWS and intercept incoming AGM instead of try to shootdown Eurofighter? and with ammo box it definitely helps a lot

never got one but still annoying it force to go defensive instantly after spawn

IF you use a relic in top tier YOU are your own biggest problem

Oh, have we reached the end of arguments and now look at K/D ratios?

Maybe my K/D ratio is so bad because I play it aggressively or I’m just a bad player?
Who knows?

That doesn’t change that Russia has ATGMs that you can fire on the move, I think even the AFT has to stop and had it’s turret rotation nerfed ss well.

I’'m currently playing the event with the russian 6.7 lineup, because it is quite honestly, disgustingly good.

And btw, the Turms-T still sits at 10.3, even though it has better protection, better TVD and better reload than the Leopard or the Ariete at 10.7…

And last but not least, the 10.3 lineup of Russia in general is exceptionally good and it seems to have missed any attempts of BR increaes for the TURMS, the SU-25 and the 2S38 while it’s counterparts in other TTs did go up.

Whether that’s russian bias on Gaijin side or simply hand holding that is required to keep the premium russian players happy is a different discussion.

Anyways, the fact is that russian vehicles in the higher BRs are undertiered and the teams still fall apart easily unless they get bolstered by smaller nations where the player base is significantly more experienced.

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AFT09 is fine, and still one of the best vehicles in the game. Still nukes everything with ease, apart from the couple of tanks with APS. I have a BMD4, but I’d rather use AFT09 any day. Please don’t bring up the Turms because I looked at how you’ve done in that, also. The supposed bias isn’t helping people in the Turms, I guess it’s just the players and how they play, right? Not that other nations have competitive vehicles, also? Anyway, I don’t suspect we’ll see eye to eye much, because you’ve wasted over 1000 battles in a ZTZ96A premium, in a nation tree that is rich full of good vehicles at all BRs. If you need some home work, just take a look at what vehicles that Soviet 10.3 has to face before going on about bias - especially some of those German vehicles sitting around that BR.

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Oh and btw, the BMD-4/M at 9.3 with a fast firing APDS belt, IRST, 2nd Gen Thermals and ATGMS at 9.3 is…very, very questionable.

If you compare that to other TTs, you would have top look at the 10.0 Bradley or the 10.3 BILL just to find something almost as good. Granted, the Bradley and the BILL get APFSDS rounds, but they also lack the sheer mobility of the BMD-4/M.

So if you wanted to level the playing filed and put the BMD-4/M on a fair level ground, you would have to start at minimum 9.7, maybe even 10.0.
But that would of course mean, that it would see uptiers into 10.3 and 10.7 more frequently than the downtiers into 8.3 it currently can see.

And fun fact, I did buy the BMD-4M and run it in a 10.3 lineup and it performs really, really nice. So my view is based on experience.

I run AFT09 at 12.0 - using an ATGM spammer at BRs well above their own is not something unique to BMD4, and says nothing.

I use it all the way into top tier for when the spawn is being camped…but I haven’t played China in a while as I’m working on the Italian tree atm.

Do you know that saying: “A picture is worth a thousand words” ?
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I don’t even bother shooting ETs at MAW-equipped UFOs in ARB, which is yet another handholding addition that boost their situational awareness basically for free.

Indeed.
Your Pantsir won’t ever hit a decent pilot in the UFO and you’ll be relegated to shooting down his 18 missiles with your 12 SAMs.

And you’re driving Gripen which is clearly an inferior vehicle to the UFOs. Their job is that much easier as they can actually detect Pantsir’s radar and have MAWs.

Yup. Such vehicles are good trump cards for when Nato players think they can steamroll your spawn.

Edit: AFT09 doing what it does best deleting spawn campers

TURMS has worse reload than those two.
It is also painfully slow and have awful gun depression and gun handling.

It’s armor is far from amazing as well, as Ariete with DM33 can pretty much lolpen it. Survivability is dogshit as well.

Compression.

You forget something important here, it’s called “personal preference”.

I prefer more modern vehicles, with agility, good optics and a more modern battlefield.
The ZTZ96A(P) is a fantastic vehicle and helps farm SL and RP, but I also played the QN506, which is excellent for killing helicopters.

The rest of the Chinese TT is…including Rank 4, russian and american vehicles. Excellent vehicles by itself, but already present in the American and Russian TT, so nothing really unique at the time I was grinding it out.
The rest after that is rather frustrating to play, especially when the tanks barely reverse…

Anyways, as I mentioned, it’s personal preference and the ZTZ96(P), WMA301, QN506 and PGZ04a make an excellent lineup for grinding most of the Chinese TT.

Come on bro, but you’re saying that USSR tanks are under-BR’d, despite many of them not even being able to reverse. I do agree about QN506, I get slapped in it, but it’s fun taking out any helicopters that appear.

I, as in me personally, don’t like the lack of reverse speed.

That doesn’t mean they are bad, that is simply a feature I like and value that the russian tanks don’t have.
But then again, I did serve on a Leopard tank and therefore prefer mobility over protection :)