BeCaUsE bEiNg StRikE bla bla bla hell if GR4 suddenly get Brimstone LOAL and proceed to do the same with more kill you probably gonna say otherwise
Heh typical BeCaUsE bUt sWeDeN
sht you know most sht i most CAP is done Sweden right? and entire line up they have like what three best MBTs? ingore CAS heli and spaa that luxury they could only dream of bUt sWeDeN when their cap still need to do exactly i had do no exceptions well sorry when i face them only my concern are Strv122s and that’s it
but ofc sWeDeN i know you not a Russian but you know you start to sound like one right?
Su-34 without Pantsir would be nothing more than a 800+ SP worth of a free kill. It would be like strike drones where you would spawn in and pray you don’t get shot down before you can have your impact.
EFT bringing so many heat on itself is a big deal for the match itself, as it’ll neuter Su-34s and make one (or more) Pantsir focus them.
Having many AAs up at the same time is never a good idea for your team’s sake as well.
I do understand that some people simply don’t want to use air, even if they have enough SP. I’m one of those people as well, but we have to agree that all planes will require a lot of SP to spawn, doesn’t matter if it’s EFT or Su-34.
Genuine question, does Su-34 cost even more than EFT when fully loaded ?
They can get oppressive but it’s not all game’s fault though as players will have a big role in this as well.
US players are mostly just Click-Bait/AIM spammers that don’t even have Ground TT, let alone Air.
France is a minor nation with not so great top tier, so Rafales won’t be that frequently used.
Same goes for UK as well.
This leaves us with Germany (and it’s players) as the only nation that can bring UFOs on a regular basis.
I think we can agree our higher/top tiers have issues regarding quick games that go further than just Su-34 spam.
I’ve been all in for nations receiving better higher/top tier AAs for ages now, as what we currently have right now isn’t enough by any means. I’m defending Su-34 as a plane simply because I believe it’s the only thing it has over other 12.7s and I’m not one of those guys that want to keep their toys brokenly OP, as I haven’t touched RU top tier in a long while and have exactly 0 GRB games in Su-34.
One more thing to add, I think we need much more BRs in GRB, because 12.7 is simply too low to accommodate all those planes.
LMAO must be truly suffer
But hey because Gripen is UFO it deserve to dodge Pantsir and su-34 r-77 with PESA radar at the same times sht i only see one word out of your mouth describe western Jet that being UFO have you ever fly one? (especially Gripen that no longer fly like old times)
GR4 with 15x fully unleashed Brimstones with LOAL and more speed would be much higher than 12.7, so that thing has no place in the current game.
When we get more BRs we could definitely talk about it being a possibility as GR4 is awful at A2A and should be compensated with A2G.
MBTs, great light tank and the best non-Pantsir AA.
If they got a EFT counterpart they would’ve been the best nation to play, which is quite something as it’s a minor nation.
Sweden is strong, especially at a time when Gripen was the top dog in the “meta” of SARHs with 100m multipath height.
Sweden is much closer to the easy mode than it is to the suffering mode.
I was mostly talking about newly added jets as they are overshadowing everything we had before.
Shame R-77 and PESA didn’t get me kills from sub 10km, perfect head-on launches as some planes are just that agile to be able to notch it in time.
I love farming enemy Su-34s in ARB though, as those boats need an eon to turn 90 degrees at any reasonable speed.
It’s sad seeing Gripens getting dethroned but they had their time to shine all the while going under the radar as everyone was complaining about Su-27 and 27ERs being OP in the day and age of 100m MP height.
That times is no longer in the game it’s long gone at the same time when Sweden recive Gripen C
It in better position in term of MBTs the rest is not much different they have to deal with very same problem that everyone have to deal sure they CAS options are Gripen technically it can do but with the plane of it size it carrying ways less doing CAS with little load out it not really much effect the team and better doing CAP job
Since the Pansir was mentioned its kind of a give away we are talking GRB unless you somehow spawn in a Pansir in ARB o.0
Given my only Top tier currently for Air ( I mean actual top Tier’s ) Are UK and USA spawning bombs instead of missiles to counter the Su-34’s isn’t helping my team at all and that if I decide to contine playing the match since at that point its a loss and not worth my time to keep spawning.
So your changing the goal posts on this one I see.
You claimed all prem heli’s were OP, I proved that they aren’t since only 1 was outranging SPAA and other Heli’s, so you change the goal post but fk it here goes.
Not all maps have mountains, not all heli’s have FnF missiles, but there is a nations heli’s that can still outrange most SPAA
Given I’m a northerner I think most of the UK agree’s we fail at english with our dialect so not really an insult there.
Do you even play the game? First spawn rocket heli’s, second spawn missile heli’s. Heli pad spawn caming RU heli’s are a big thing also/ Literally every match I’ve played at top Tier ( 12.0 Tanks ) has 1 or more Heli’s spawned.
So whats your point here?? The R-Darter is a shitty missile. Once you have waided through all the 120 spam and get closer your basically the same as everyone else close range missile slinging. This still doesn’t mean the R-Darter is a good missile.
Maybe go check out the bug reports I’m not doing it for you but safe to say your assertion is BS.
So you spade on move on good for you. Those of us who need something for GRB still have use them racking up my matches every month.
Now your just lying for the sake of it. Seriously dude please learn to read
See this??? Where does it say I got the Grippen on release?
The Grippen was released with Aim-9M’s and Skyflash missiles, when I got the Grippen they had been replaced for R-Darter’s so clearly I didnt get it on release as I wasn’t even actively playing WT at the time.
Secondly I had to spade it while learning how to dodge Aim-120’s as it was my first and only ARH equipt aircraft. My lack of knowlege on how the rader worked for ARH instead of DF missile and then finding out how bad at BVR R-Darters were before switching to a more DF style caused alot of deaths on my part. I’m sure once I’m done spading the last few aircraft I have at top Tier I’ll go back play some more and who knows might even balance out my K/D.
Yes and??? Less Su-34’s ruining the game would be a bonus for everyone fighting RU.
So whats your point here?? a Typhoon is trying to stop Su-34’s shitting on everyone, while its doing that, its 1 less playing on the ground fighting tanks/capping points and its not hitting ground targets as its constantly on the defensive playing Air defence againt even more RU players spawning Su-34’s
And lets not skip that an Su-34 is more the capable of getting off all 6 of its Kh-38MT’s before a Typhoon can take him out.
But thats a mute point in this conversation because those on RU teams love all there air assests as it almost confims a win for them, so players that don’t want to play air just leave after been killed by a heli or jet and all we get is this constant cycle of RU teams winning and everyone fighting them gets reduced RP/SL per battle making everyones grind longer and ruining anyones fun.
I don;t know the SP cost of an Su-34 before the SP reduction associated with light tanks scouting reduction bonus.
As for the Typhoon in A2A only its about 500-700 SP
Its exactly all the games fault and Gaijins. People will try and find there most fun way to play, and gaijin have caused such a massive inbalance that people just aren’t having fun, so they 1 death leave, or quit.
If you see that US win rates are horrific, and you see how dominant RU is, do you really blame people for spamming a premium that will still make them some RP and SL if they rush in kill 2-3 people, leave and then repeat.
To be honest its a more effeciant and less stressful way to grind out tanks so I find it hard to be pissed at 1 death leavers lately.
GR.4 is the Tornado ( 12.3 GRB and ARB ) , I think you might mean FGR for the Typhoon ( 12.7 GRB, 14.0 ARB )???
Also Tornado carries 15x Brims and Typhoon 18x Brims
Never an excuse to one-death-leave. In fact, that is why one death leavers are frustrated and have terrible win rates, because they’re literally giving up on matches. If you’re finding the grind ‘stressful’ then try a different BR, a different line-up - Yes, a damn line-up. Make sure you have one. For US players, if they’re ever feeling stressed out all they need to do is have a few games in the XM800T and they’ll be okay.
If people stood back and just enjoyed the game and realised it’s not all about the grind and getting to top-tier, they’d have a much better time and would get to top-tier eventually, either way. Games not going anywhere.
One of the causes of terrible players, terrible frustrations, terrible matches - people buying high-tier premiums and then grinding out the whole line with it. Play a few games in it until you have an adequate 3.3/3.7 line-up and then work your way up. Or if you must get to around 5.3-6.7. But those trying to convince themselves that they ‘only like modern tanks waahhh’ and one-death-leaving in a high tier premium until top-tier are simply a problem for themselves and the game.
TLDR: Any issues with US winrates at any BR are caused by the players using the vehicles and not from any balance issues between US and the nations it faces.
To be fair, many russian vehicles are undertiered, especially in the higher BR range.
If you compare the Dardo or VCC30 in the Italian TT with the BMD4 or compare them with the BMP-2M, which sits only 0.3BR above them, yet has better rounds, 4 ATGMs that cna be fired on the move and a 3rd Gen TVD.
If you look at say, 9.3 and above, then almost all russian vehicles benefit from a lower BR than comparable counterparts. Add the overall BR compression issue to it and the matchmaker and you will always face a better hardware.
In the right hands these vehicles can be devastating, thankfully many russian mains aren’t that good.
The Su-34 is countered by NATO CAP, as nato CAP is far stronger than Russian CAP in game.
It also costs 1094 SP is spawn with the KH-38 if I recall.
The Pansir can only defend itself really against air attacks.
If you die to an pansir, it means you flew in a straight line too long.
Any top tier jet cannot do that.
KA-50… really? This is a joke right? The Ah-1G is vastly more survivable.
The KA-50 /52 were designed to be able to take a whole lot of damage and sustain flight.
Especially since the KA-50 is the gen 1 thermal / night vision package in game, it doesn’t have thermals, and is sometimes hard to acquire a target, it the Russian also don’t have F&F like the Tiger UHT, and have to be visible, within SPAA range to be able to dish out damage. (In fact, give the KA-50 its thermal, or knock it to 11.0, as the G-Lynx is a 10.7 with a good thermal, and 12atgms).
Yes I survived, because he missed 99% of his rounds, 3-4 actually hit, disabled the 30mm, and lit a good fire, that later killed my turbo shaft.
The helicopter nerfs for the MI-24s are beyond immense, getting stuck by a .50 cal will typically knock out the whole of your weapons… let alone how fragile the “flying tanks” are…
I could ask the same fairness for reload speeds for the T-80Us (and newer). hstvl got a historical buff, but not the T-80s, and the T-80s were around longer in game.
There’s actually longer range HE guided rockets you can use on the apaches btw.
They’re longer than the Vikhir range.
Also, are you flying straight at all of these??
BVR, Su-34 is borderline useless
KA-52 can only kill you if you really fly pretty much straight at it.
Pansir gets G-locked easily.
Ofc it should there is a battle between cas and spaa thats why cas isnt rly op cuz its busy with the spaa.
pantsir do solve the problem cuz correct me if im wrong but only france has 20km faf missiles that are slow as hell and ez to intercept
As I explained it earlier, I think Su-34 shouldn’t be as problematic if people spawned their aircraft more often, especially those newly added UFOs that have all the handholds needed to be in control of the skies.
People in Pantsirs aren’t either that useful for ground work
EFT can ground pound with it’s quasi-FnFs while waiting for another free food spawning in the air.
This hurry-up leads to rushed launches that can often fail.
Don’t see what’s not to love on the newly added UFOs. They will wipe out Su-34s and ground pound themselves, attracting the anger of many Pantsirs which will lead to their team’s demise.
I do blame lvl 10s (or Gaijin) in premiums that leave after two minutes as they have nothing else to spawn in.
It’s not only a Su-34 problem as ODL premium spam can be observed in tiers that can’t even see the plane in question.
No, BOI was talking about Tornado specifically as it’s a shitty platform as well.
