What a cesspit this thread is.
Grabs popcorn.
So what your saying is we can only get FnF for a missile that should have it “WHEN” GJ give russia a perfect counter to it???
Not like RU doesn’t already have a counter to IR guided SPAA missiles cough SU’s cought Yea trying to rear lock them with Stormer AD / Ozelot and it just not locking at all.
You can shove the “powercreep” bs where the sun don’t shine. RU has consistantly been given better and better things. Some of these things went years without counters and still do.
How long was the KA-50 domination before other finally got a counter?? We are still waiting on compareable things for other nations like the Pansir.
RU ERA bags absorbing APFSDS round, Ammo racks been more protected then they should be, IS-6 domination due to bugged armour the list goes on and on.
Soon as the is even a tiny hint of RU getting slapped around some by other nations ( GER Leo 7’s, Typhoons, Aim-120’s ) there all “OP” and broken.
I can answer this very easily. RU developed “heavy” fighters while with the Eurofighter its a “light” fighter, prioritising fast accelaration, climb rate and monoverablity. RU’s heavy fighters are never gonna turn fight a Typhoon
So by your logic we should nerf the Kh-30MT because its making the Su-34 the best at A2G in GRB. We should nerf the Pansir because its currently the best SPAA. We need to nerf the KA-50/52 because there the best heli’s. After all as you said “You aren’t allowed to be the best at everything”
1 Like
again do none of you idiots have even basic reading comprehension
When did i say just russia should receive multispectral smoke and jamming you’re literally putting words into my mouth
Oh so just russia gets given better and better things alright then lets just ignore israel having the best helicopter, germany having the best MBT and the US having the best overall toptier air since the F-16 got added way back.
Please name one russian vehicle that has no definitive counter besides the Su-34 and yes you can counter the Su-25 its subsonic it cant climb into orbit or evade missiles easily and yes you can counter the pantsir its called use an LJDAM or any laser bomb you can literally just get a teammate to mark with a drone and just use the minimap to guide it in
Bro every premium heli was busted back then dont act like it was just the Ka-50 thats disingenuous as shit
Learn to aim
Now you’re lying the IS-6 never had “bugged armour”
Do you even play the game im actually concerned,
Its not just russia that has to deal with the leopard its literally everyone, the 2A7 is vastly superior to any toptier tank in game currently and yes the russian air fucking sucks because gaijin for some reason is refusing to give russia equivalent aircraft to everyone else hell the Su-30SM should’ve been added this update but instead they got given a worse version of the techtree Su-27 that gets a few more missiles in return for being even heavier and having worse drag because of the cannards
1 Like
There are Videos from the Ukraine War where Ka-52 are flying back to Base with their whole tail missing, its not unrealistic that they are tanky. Its just the way they were build.
Yes, it being a strike aircraft has no meaning as it’s the only thing worthy taking out for GRB.
That’s why you’re playing Sweden, right ?
Say that when your IR missile with almost 5kg TNTe does nothing but a Hit to a helicopter.
I don’t really have that issue. Stingers, rolands, iglas, ect, all tend to nuke helis or at least prevent them from firing. the only exception is the ka50/52 because you actually have to damage the modules instead of the skin of the aircraft.
I don’t really who developed what or when. If stuff are at the same BR, they should have pros/cons when compared to each other. This is a game, not real life.
Why ?
Su-34 is the best at A2G but lacks heavily in A2A, do see the tradeoff ?
I’m saying for months that we need better AAs, not just at top tier. Gaijin is finally listening.
They clearly aren’t.
Which is true for Su-34 and Kamovs.
I clearly do, helicopters in general have busted damage models, all across the board.
I’ve shot many helicopters through the front with a clear center mass (using a dart) shot and got “Damage of tail” and helicopter continued as nothing happened. Same thing with missiles. This happens to planes as well but much less frequent than on helicopters.
You had to remind me how they massacred my tam-sam…
1 Like
Well i mean, you’re either missing or citing examples from before them changing the damage models. You literally cant fire your weapons if you take a single hit from a 25mm or bigger. Being splashed even by just about any missile will disable your weapons completely. If you get the hit, the weapons are disabled even if you dont kill the heli. the only exceptions are the helis with modules, which is pretty much just the ka50/52.
Don’t call me an idiot with the dribble come out your pie hole in this thread, you don’t have a leg to stand on.
Clearly when these smoke types and jamming comes to the game RU will get it, so my point still stands. Typhoons wont have FnF Brimstones will there is a counter, but RU get Kh-38MT slingers with no SPAA to counter it but the SPAA on the RU team.
When has the F16 ever been as dominant as the SU-34?? Never in my years of playing have US air in GRB been an issue like the SU-34 / KA-50/52’s
You need to learn to read what I said
Name 1 time when an SU-34 with 6x Kh-38MT missiles has to loiter in range of enemy SPAA
Your talking about how to counter a Pansir by doing things that RU doesn’t have to do to counter all other SPAA. That right there is enough to tell you its BS
Don’t talk so wet. The KA-50 outranged all other Heli’s and could sit outside of SPAA range. More over would often kill other Heli’s from greater distances
I guess everyone should “learn to aim” since it was a known issue and eventually fixed
I’m certain there was a bug with its mantlet been too strong or moddled wrong. I’ll come back to this once I’ve looked it up more though.
Nah mate I don’t play at all only 22k finished missions did all that in 2 days and never touched it again 0.o.
Oh no Leopards, guess we could quote you “Learn to aim”
I can’t remember ever loosing many matchs on the backs of Leopards but I’ve got hundreds of matches over the years where my teams have lost because of KA-50/52’s, Su-25/SM3, Mig 27’s, Su-34.
You want to cry about RU been given a new tech-tree Su-27 with 12 missiles. Before the Typhoon’s the UK had the option of a decent plane with shitty R-Darters, or the flying brick of a Tornado which Gj can’t even fix ( Best the have done is increase turning but reduced speed as a trade of lol )
The Typhoon finally give the UK and GER a good plane but the screwed us over on the brimstones.
It’s still a very good vehicle against most planes but helis are the real issue. They tend to eat so much crap it’s certainly unrealistic.
I’m talking from my very recent experience with them. I’ve had 12.0 helicopters eat Type 81 missiles like they have no HE filler whatsoever. Just tonight I downed a couple Kamovs with my Type 91 missile and they blew up just fine.
All helicopters have wildly inconsistent damage models.
So what are the Con’s of taking out the Su-34? Its all Pro’s from what I see.
In ARB maybe that is a trade off, but in GRB where you have 0 SPAA counters and only have to worry about other fighters which by the way you still have R-77’s and R-73’s and your no longer fighting aircraft at 20-30miles anymore since your condensed you shouldn’t have an issue locking and launching R-77’s and you get to do this while staying behind your Pansir’s to help you counter all other fighters.
All pros until something else spawns in the air. Your shitboat won’t feel so powerful then.
Remember, RU isn’t the only nation allowed to spawn planes.
There’s no tradeoffs in ARB other than maybe missile count, no wonder Su-34 sits almost a full BR below the UFOs.
Also, let’s not pretend that a shitboat like Su-34 without HMD will get many chances to fire off R-73s against an UFO with a shitload of CMs.
You can’t even go the stealthy way of sniping it with ETs as the UFO has MAWs.
Su-34 is easily outmatched and without Pantsir it would get eaten alive as basically a free kill.
Let’s also not pretend that R-77s can hit anyone competent beyond 10km in their UFOs that can sustain 13G+ pulls. I’ve seen people notching R-77s in those things when fired from a perfect head-on well below 10km.
1 Like
Remember in his mind he thinks the pantsir is an instant 15km death sphere so he genuinely does believe only russia can spawn in GRB
Ah so you are just another A-hole here’s a star for your efforts *
Oh using big swear words, calm down moron. You still missed my point again!
Who care’s about ARB when we talking about GRB?? Change the topic much!
Replay or it didn’t happen.
Pansir is capable of intercepting all of those munitions, NATO can when???
You still haven’t proven there is an adiquate counter to a Pansir that doesn’t require the extra steps that an Su-34 doesn’t need to do.
The rest of your comment isn’t worth the reply but defo sounds like you need some time away from your screen.
HAHAHA muppet, you claimed all prem heli’s were broken and named 2 heli’s that still don’t outreach a KA-50. Jezz do you really not know the difference between 4.97mi and 6.21mi? I can tell you free of charge that 1 of them has a longer reach, can you guess which it is???
Actually is both, but carry on spoouting garbage.
working on it
So its a skill issue that when I got my Grippen the FM was nerfed and Aim-120A/B’s were added to the game but the Grippen got a shitty R-Darter?
Or a skill issue that Gj moddled the Tornado’s wrong?
Or maybe your just full of it
With that low count of battles you hardly even know what your talking about. You have barely played top Tier UK I’ve played more battles in 1 plane then you have played a combined top tier UK.
But alas you call it a skill issue but have yet to debate anything I’ve said, you just spout crap and swear alot, combined with personal attacks. Guess having a reality comprehension issue and a shitty personality is bad enough though. You have a good day now.
3 Likes
True but RU is the only nation with SPAA capable of actually assisting in keeping the air clear.
So whats your point here?? and Su-34 isn’t going to be dominant over a Typhoon but it does have Pansir air cover which the Typhoon doesnt have. Its basically Su-34+Pansir ( or many pansir’s depending on who’s spawning them ) Vs Typhoon
How about SP cost, unless you do resonably well your not going to have a chance at getting a fully loaded Typhoon out, and since most poeple want to use tanks they tend to try and spawn more then 1, where as RU teams rush caps in lights, get 1-2 kills or scouting assists then jump into an Su-34 and take out 1-6 people, re-arm and then do it all over again.
These days once a team is been wiped out by 1-2 Su-34’s they simply just leave the battle and RU wins.
So for people wanting to boost win rates, grind RP/SL playing RU and smashing everything with a Su-34 is just a logical thing to do when it almost guarentee’s victory.
3 Likes
I brought up the F-16 as a response to this post
You never mentioned it had to be about GRB your fault desu maybe next time specify gamemodes
It was sun city a couple weeks back not sure if its still there you can dig it up if you care that much
Oh do you only have one arm or something are you incapable of dropping a bomb and then clicking a marked area on the map amazing you can play with these deformities
Why do they need to outrange the Vikhrs you can just sit behind a mountain and be immune to SPAA like helis are currently for the most part
So mad you’re starting to fail at basic english too
Its really not, helis rarely engage in GRB outside of literally hovering above the enemy helipad and spawncamping
The derby and darter are both fine they’re not AMRAAM equivalents but for how you’re meant to play the gripen I’d honestly prefer them, the gripen cant sit at orbit chucking AMRAAMs at mach 2 its better at low alt where the derby/darter performs better at close range fights due to the massive DeltaV and short booster
The tornado isnt modeled wrong the plane just sucks IRL its a brick IRL its a brick ingame theres a reason why its considered the worst 4th gen fighter and why only the GR. variants stuck around
So you’ve played more games and yet you’re still worse than me now thats an achievement
Anyway the reason i don’t waste my life playing the same plane for 1000 games is because its boring why should i bother playing these aircraft outside of customs or events after ive spaded them
Actually how do you even manage a 0.5 k/d in the gripen especially since you played it on release
Is this how you’re gonna silently conceed that you’ve lost the argument