Challenger 2 is 1998. That is literally the tank we have at 11.7.
Challenger 2E is 2002 (1 of our 2 “12.0” tanks)
2F is 2004.
TES/OES (if they are even worth touching) is 2014/2016
BN is a 2018 Tech Demo
All versions of the Challenger 2 use the same everything at its core. Just with different things slapped onto the side. None of the ERA provides additional protection, the only upgrade of note is the engine from the 2002 2E or APS from the 2018 BN. Beyond those 2 points. Its a 1998 tank.
If the M1A2 Sep V2 which is a 2008 tank is just an upgraded version of the M1A2, then the Leopard 2A7V is just an upgraded version of the Leopard 2A5.
Comparing M1A2 (1993) with Leopard 2A7V (2021?) and claiming “US Mains suffer” is just hilarious.
What next? US needs M829A4 vs DM53 whilst deniyng DM73/DM83 from respective tanks?
But even the M1A2 (that is somehow at 11.7 not 12.0) massively outperforms most nations 12.0 tanks, let alone 11.7 tanks.
You guys keep talking about real life service dates completely ignoring that, in SEPv2’s case, NONE of the upgrades from 2008 was implemented.
The improved turret armor (side and front) wasn’t modelled.
The 2003 M829A3 wasn’t implemented.
The “2008” M1A2 SEPv2 is no different from the 1992 M1A2 in War Thunder beyond the thermals and the fact that it’s slower and heavier because you can’t take off the TUSK for some reason.
In War Thunder, functionally, U.S is still stuck in 1992. There is no “2008” tank because there is nothing 2008 about it.
In fairness of this. M829A2 + the Abrams 5 second reload gives it the best firepower in the game bar none. Sure the DM53/L55 combo gets a little more pen, but at the cost of a lower RoF. the A2 is more than enough though to pen any situation.
As it stands, they probably shouldnt have gotten a the 5 second reload buff and should still be on 6 seconds to maintain balance with most nations.
Really showing your hate for US here. The Abrams would still undoubtedly have several severe inaccuracies and issues. But it also sounds a whole lot like Britain mains crying bias and demanding buffs for the CR2 despite getting a DM53 equipped tank
With a 350mm KE hull that precedes a fighting compartment where hydraulic pump, all crew members, turret basket, turret drives, engine and transmission are all tightly packed and more often than not destroyed in 1 hit, or 2, at most, with a finishing shot after a completely crippling one?
The Abrams may have good mobility and firepower, but they have practically non existent survivability and barely deficient armor.
The F-15C was a perfect fit for it’s update. But you’ve said the Typhoon should have come with it so i really don’t think your that trustworthy. The E was only a bit much because it was justifiably demanded for it to get 229 engines after the F-15I got them
I rarely manage to one shot an Abrams, usually they survive the hit and then reverse behind cover to repair.
also, those issues though… apply to everyone else as well. The few times I survive a hit in a CR2? Im just as disabled, though I have never managed to reverse behind cover like Ive seen a few Abrams manage.
but its rare. Really rare. for me to tank a M829A2. Its high pen mean it can pen anywhere with ease
Feels like a few claim its only the US tanks that get disabled if a shell pens.
Bare in mind, the US had the F-14 with Aim-54 long before R-27ER…
It was not. F-16C would have been fine, at most maybe an F-18. F-15 dominated for 6 months uncontested.
That is not my statement. In the lead up to the F-15C MSIP II being added. US Mains told me that the Typhoon would only be added alongside teh F-15C MSIP II and that wasnt in game yet and therefore the Typhoon couldnt be added either…
Then the F-15E
Then the F-18E
Then it would have been the F-22. But thankfully Gaijin realised that was nonsense and added the appropriate F-15 counter
They were wrong, someone telling you something doesn’t make it gospel truth. An F-15C late wouldve been more appropriate, or an F-15SA. The Raptor is still closer than an 80’s MSIP jet
But what else could have been added though. Give me options for Sweden, Germany, Italy, Britain or France that would have actually matched the F-15C performance?