Do you know the game rock, paper, scissor?
Paper are tanks, scissors are planes and spaas are stone. You are meant to loose against spaa in a plane
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OP might actually be right:
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Looks like after they ammo was changed to realShatter it hits now quite hard.
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Here’s an obvious problem with it that I have exploited multiple times:
It has limited elevation of just 49 degrees. By attacking from far enough above, it is quite literally helpless. This is not a problem on the M16.
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The Russian 14.5mm IAI still doesn’t have realShatter so it explodes in a sphere of super low damaging fragments that hardly deal damage to plane structure in comparison.
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Problem on M16 is a gun, brownings won’t make dmg to aircraft.
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OMG 49 degrees isn’t that low. Just move on some hill or something else and you can shoot higher, and when something comes at you, hide behind something. Just skill issue.
the m16 sits at 2.7 for that reason
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49 degrees is absolutely horrible for any SPAA…
Even the R3 T20 has 60 degrees and this is easily exploitable against it in a match (again, something I have done plenty times).
Why are you even telling me I have a skill issue when I expecified that it was something I do against these SPAAs?
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Because you keep talking about it as if there’s no way to do something about it and just play normally with sdkfz.
Tell me at which br should the 251/21 be?
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You’re making a lot of assumptions. I don’t even play the Sd.Kfz.251/21.
You can go up a hill, sure, but that requires there to be a hill. Not to mention the hill can only help your elevation from one direction, but is a detriment in the other direction.
Not to mention that you’d need a very high incline to actually achieve full 90 degrees coverage. Which just isn’t feasible in WarThunder as tanks just slide down at that point.
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Did you read what I wrote at the beginning? I don’t know which one exactly, but this spaa would work even on 4.7 5.0/5.3. I was also surprised that Ostwind got 3.3 and it is a great spaa.
It doesn’t have to be a hill, just anything that will raise one side of your vehicle.
Not everyone flies particularly high, so it’s not a big problem anyway.
Ah yes just because you died a few times to it lets raise it 2 full br steps just to be sure it never kills you again. Maybe put it at 8.0. It still can shoot down sabres and mig15s
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Well that’s a skill issue on their part. You don’t even need to fly high, you just need to fly above.
I can spot an Sd.Kfz.251/21 fairly easily. When that happens, I just go fly above and attack from there.
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this dude wants to raise it to 4.7 - 5.3. I don’t think arguing with him is of any use
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I think a much worse example is the Ostwind, which in my opinion is better than the Wirbelwind (although harder to use effectively) yet sits at this BR as well.
High damage cannon with 250 RPM (higher than even the L70 Bofors) with very high velocity on the mineshell round and basically never-ending burst.
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The problem with the ostwind is that many players use it to hunt tanks and with the low performing 37mm ammo they die a lot to these tanks
Plus like you said it’s harder to use and gaijins balances after player stats. For example planes like the me262 with the 50mm cannon are lower aswell, but if you were really good at aiming it should be the same br as the other me262s. You could oneshot enemy fighters from far away but most people simply can’t aim the 50mm cannon (me included)
The thing is, while the gun elevation is an obvious weakness, it doesn’t change that the vehicle can easily shoot down aircraft.
I never liked it much because the guns lacked damage and that you couldn’t target aircraft coming in from above but after the rounds have been changed to realShatter they deal pretty substantional damage now and you have 3 guns. So they probably spit out around 1-1.5 times the damage of a 20mm HE round but at 700 RPM with 200 round belts.
The BTR-152D is 4.0 and doesn’t even have realShatter for the IAI, meaning it deals maybe a quarter of the the structural damage.
I sprayed at the He 111 in test drive and only got hits, only took out the elevator since Gaijin in their wisdom made them super susceptible to AP rounds, probably so that Tier 1 LMG can knock out planes by at least destroying their elevators.
Of course it can elevate much higher but the limiting factor (of the Sd.Kfz 251/21) was alawys the damage.
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it has nearly 90° elevation. The limited elevation is a huge drawback even if some people wont admit that flaw.
Flying high for ww2 is always good and a 90° dive is always effective on ww2 spaas. Climbing is great against enemy fighters aswell
When radar spaas pop up flying very low is much better but 3.3 is a few full br steps away to have the need to do this.