Ah yes just because you died a few times to it lets raise it 2 full br steps just to be sure it never kills you again. Maybe put it at 8.0. It still can shoot down sabres and mig15s
Well that’s a skill issue on their part. You don’t even need to fly high, you just need to fly above.
I can spot an Sd.Kfz.251/21 fairly easily. When that happens, I just go fly above and attack from there.
1 Like
this dude wants to raise it to 4.7 - 5.3. I don’t think arguing with him is of any use
2 Likes
I think a much worse example is the Ostwind, which in my opinion is better than the Wirbelwind (although harder to use effectively) yet sits at this BR as well.
High damage cannon with 250 RPM (higher than even the L70 Bofors) with very high velocity on the mineshell round and basically never-ending burst.
The problem with the ostwind is that many players use it to hunt tanks and with the low performing 37mm ammo they die a lot to these tanks
Plus like you said it’s harder to use and gaijins balances after player stats. For example planes like the me262 with the 50mm cannon are lower aswell, but if you were really good at aiming it should be the same br as the other me262s. You could oneshot enemy fighters from far away but most people simply can’t aim the 50mm cannon (me included)
The thing is, while the gun elevation is an obvious weakness, it doesn’t change that the vehicle can easily shoot down aircraft.
I never liked it much because the guns lacked damage and that you couldn’t target aircraft coming in from above but after the rounds have been changed to realShatter they deal pretty substantional damage now and you have 3 guns. So they probably spit out around 1-1.5 times the damage of a 20mm HE round but at 700 RPM with 200 round belts.
The BTR-152D is 4.0 and doesn’t even have realShatter for the IAI, meaning it deals maybe a quarter of the the structural damage.
I sprayed at the He 111 in test drive and only got hits, only took out the elevator since Gaijin in their wisdom made them super susceptible to AP rounds, probably so that Tier 1 LMG can knock out planes by at least destroying their elevators.
Of course it can elevate much higher but the limiting factor (of the Sd.Kfz 251/21) was alawys the damage.
1 Like
it has nearly 90° elevation. The limited elevation is a huge drawback even if some people wont admit that flaw.
Flying high for ww2 is always good and a 90° dive is always effective on ww2 spaas. Climbing is great against enemy fighters aswell
When radar spaas pop up flying very low is much better but 3.3 is a few full br steps away to have the need to do this.
He’s right, though…
If there’s such a dangerous SPAA around, it should be your primary target. In this particular case, even MGs are good enough to destroy that vehicle so you don’t even need to waste your bombs/rockets. Once it’s done, you can go after tanks freely. If you ignore it, you’ll get shot down. It’s that simple…
1 Like
Imagine having 25K games and not understanding how it works…
1 Like
Sure it’s a flaw but dealing low damage is also a flaw. So it kinda makes up for that.
Sure when the sky is full of planes you’re going to be in more trouble when planes come in from above but it’s super effective against unaware opponents.
The discussion is of course pointless since the vehicle will go up in BR when the stats show that it’s suddendly too effective for 3.3.
1 Like
But that’s not the problem of the vehicle, is it? :)
limited elevation is a much bigger flaw in my opinion. Not being able to shoot is much worse than doing a little bit less damage. The damage of heavy mgs on the m16 or btr152d is still enough to kill many planes really fast. the exceptions are stukas, il-2 and some bombers, but fighters die to heavy mgs fast enough if you hit them right. They are great at starting fires which is lethal 80% of the times.
1 Like
Did you know that there can be several spaas? Then say hello to attacking them all, or killing one spaa and then more will spawn, that’s just idle talk.
You are never the only player in the battle and the rest of these brainless teammates should be doing something too.
What’s the point of killing one if several of them spawn, especially great when you’re attacking a spaa that happens to have spawn protection…
OMG you, you have 3k and you can’t express yourself…
maybe you shouldn’t spawn planes if the enemy team has several spaas? It’s their job to shoot down planes!? Or do you just wanna bomb without a counter?
If the enemy team has 4 spaas these players are more or less useless against other tanks. Should be an easy win. You are not obligated to spawn planes, you know?
How do you know when you are on the ground whether your opponent has 1 spaa or 10 spaas? explain this to me? or maybe you play with cheats or play arcade so you know it…
It’s fine where it is and it’s nice to actually be able to shoot something down in GRB.
Being where it is means it odes not conflict with the wirbel
1 Like
The best thing is that most of the people defending this sdkfz are German players xD What a coincidence. Well, I understand, you have to defend your favorite nation.
Well it’s a German vehicle so what do you expect? God , and I thought I came out with some stupid things : )
Nothing, everyone can say something about vehicles of all nations, but when it comes to German ones, it’s mainly the Germans who start fighting for their vehicles xD