This shouldn’t even be possible as it’s obvious it’s a bug they don’t want or know how to fix.
It’s a shame this problem has lead to all this.
one thing should be changed ASAP - the binocular icon for scouting is grayed in third person - generally. So one must switch to binocular view or into targetting view to see the real status (e.g. if scouting available or still in cooldown) - this is annoying ! please show the status of scouting also in third person as before. Every player knows that in 3th person scouting can’t be activated
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Also just a new info for me… since when does Sheridan (8.0) has a drone ? There is no modification for it but I was able to use one.
You never said what will happen to people that were exploiting the “scouting without LoS” bug for days and weeks ?
Last I checked that’s against the rules.
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how can that be against the rules if its a mechanic thats in the game for years now unchanged by gaijin? If they wouldnt want people using and abusing it they could have changed scouting 2 years ago. (they could have easily put a 5 second timer for squad marker/scouting to actually appear in between pressing the button and seeing it on screen (like radio operator transmitting the actual position) but they didnt. You can’t expect people to not use that when its shown by content creators and its not something especially difficult to recreate?
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Exploiting bugs is against the rules and the scouting mechanic was bugged, allowing you to scout people through meters of solid cover hundreds of meters away.
Don’t tell me that was the intended use of said mechanic.
most likely not. and it dumbs down the game intensively. but its working like this for years now. scout engine noise through 2 building blocks, scout squad markers across the map. for years. suddenly people start discussing it and somehow now it is an issue? (dont get me wrong, it is, but it already was 2 years ago).
And how is that a bug? its a mixture of mechanics put in the game (squad marker instantly visible on the exact location where u put it, without any error instantly, anything that you put the cursor straight on, even through terrain gets revealed with a big red ! over its head following it, somehow even visible for planes from the 80s 5 km above the battlefield. It shouldnt work that way but it does for years now.
The logo aint a snail for nuthin’
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Just because Gaijin failed to see or fix it in that time doesn’t mean you’re allowed to exploit it.
Because you were never meant to scout people across the map with basically zero pixels of their vehicles shown ?
Yes you can as everyone is able to think for themselves and thus is responsible for it’s own actions. Some random no name on YT recording himself exploiting bugs shouldn’t be your green light to do the same.
Don’t get me wrong we’re on the same page here. Its bs and should have been adressed and changed a couple of years ago. That it didn’t and somehow no one at gaijin seems to have been aware of such a fundamental problem affecting nearly every match from 8.0 and up, you can’t expect these millions of players to never use that mechanic, if the multi million dollar company behind this obviously doesnt care in the slightest. also it doesnt give you such a massive edge in most matches, but still.
How do we know? Feels like its just linked to the keen vision perk or something, but in general the whole scouting mechanic is not good. how can my radio operator continuosly update the exact location and type of vehicle that ive seen a single pixel of for 30 seconds even if it broke line of sight and keeps moving to ground units and also planes? (u dont need a drone for that bs btw)
also quite a lot of the biggest cc for wt were doing it so…but actually that doesnt matter. Theres stuff in game thats basically impossible to kill with cas (unless 2000 pd bomb), theres stuff that is fighting vehicles worse than it in every regard not even in full downtiers, vehicles are balanced on their statistic capabilities (for balans obviously) but 75% of matches ur fighting much better vehicles in uptiers anyways (pls dont use heavy tanks in uptiers btw) because of “diversity” as if theres not 50 different more or less balanced vehicles in a 0.3 br diff range from yours by now (and even more in 0.7). its just one more broken thing.
They also weren’t aware of the bug that ate millions of RP for years. Also, they could have had knowledge of the bug but couldn’t fix it for whatever reason, hence this “planned” update to basically fix the issue they couldn’t do with coding.
You can as that’s blatant bug exploiting.
Obviously not everyone will follow the rules but those should be punished.
Depends on the situation really.
By using common sense ?
Scouting someone you can’t hear nor see is a ludicrous proposition, even for WT.
is it in the rules that you are not allowed to press the scout button on your or your squadmates squadmarker? I mean at this point this turns into a discussion of the definition of what a bug is. I stand my point that this is usage of a combination of mechanics that are in the game (which in itself are more or less good). Which, i agree, shouldnt be able to be used that way. But if the snail didnt want this to happen they could have:
-Put a 5 second delay between setting the squadmarker until its actually shown.
-Put some (lets say 10 m error) on the squadmarker and more error than there currently is on the scoutmarker
-Make the scoutmarker not follow the scouted player but stay in place where he was scouted (and remove the longer cooldown penalty for missed scouts but only in combination with:)
-Make it so you need to keep the scout button pressed for (lets say 3 seconds) on a (±5 m error) area where you see the enemy
That shouldnt be too hard to implement. (and it took me 30 seconds to come up with those ideas, not sure if theyd actually help but cmon snail, pls!)
Didnt happen.
Now we have exactly that but worse cause direct scouting from drone following you around but with longer cooldown (and at least finally the sp reduction of cas for light vehicles somewhat nerfed). I honestly dont care anymore. snail does as snail wants. slowly.
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It is in the rules that you can’t abuse bugs.
Scouting people without LoS is a bug and by doing that you’re exploiting said bug.
Anything that isn’t an intended feature of a certain mechanic is a bug.
is it up to the players to interpret which of the 1000 of wacky mechanics in this game which sometimes work, sometimes not, most of the times do what they want are intended and which aren’t? If it is the exact same way for multiple years?
Is it an intended mechanic that you can kill whole crews of mbts, mediums and heavy tanks with a couple of hits to the cupola of an antiair 35 mm api-t belts? not the commander, not the turret crew, whole tank (m48 is prime example is gone by one or two pens of the cupola) while theres absolutely nothing he can do?
is it an intended mechanic that when ur stuck on a corner (or hill) vs an enemy, and you know you can more or less lolpen him, you can pop smoke, set a squadmarker on him, and if he doesnt instantly realize whats going on just drive out, shoot at the squadmarker and hit him accurately while he cant see anything?
Cuz if it isnt, they better do a q&a or an official statement which of those 100s of mechanics and weird stuff you can or can not use, together with a continous weekly update which terrain hitboxes are currently bugged and with which ammo you can currently shoot through containers and other features and with which u cant (because atm apparently only apfsds can pen a (0.5mm?) container while the obj 906 245 mm penning aphe cant)
This one isn’t based on personal interpretation.
Scouting without LoS makes absolutely no sense.
Same as your MBT shooting 5 rounds at the same time with a single click.
Same as your plane flying through ground.
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Much more realistic than examples above.
Would be much different if you can use that round to lolpen anything you see, if it ignored armor for some reason.
i already said that i agree, that it shouldnt work that way and that it makes no sense. Then why is it working that way for years? Its the snails job to make sure that stuff that is obviously not working correctly doesnt persist in game for weeks, let alone years. Not the players duty to just not use it?!? yet here we are, wasting our time arguing about the definition of whether its a bug.
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Then ask Gaijin why they haven’t fixed a bug in years, that’s a completely different topic and doesn’t give you green light to abuse said bug.
Players are obliged not to exploit it in the ToS.
You have no excuses to use such a blatant bug.
So youre also not allowed to shoot at the yamatos aa ammunition that is in the model viewer 2400 rounds of aa ammunition and theres no way that that should explode the entire 73000 ton ship. If you do shoot there on purpose and it leads to the unjustified explosion of the ship (which it will, without fault), that is reportable, because accepted in the bug reporting webpage, and you can get banned for it?
Same with shooting at the PUMAs turret, which leads to explosion of its ammo (so far so good) BUT (which leads to destruction of its tracks). If you do so, you are not allowed to then push it to destroy it, because that would be abusing a bug (which was accepted and confirmed i think by smin half a year ago as critical and apparently has “higher priority to fix according to devs”). You have to sit in place and are only allowed to shoot at its turret (given that he is hull down obviously), to prove that you are aware of the bug that he is unrightfully unable to move. If you do push him when hes unable to move that would be abusing a bug → reported???
That’s bs no?
Theres no way in hell an average player in this game can be aware of the 1000s of bugs that are prevalent in this game and to act accordingly and it is pointless to make a difference between those (though a lot are minor or very rare) to the scouting through drones with squadmarker situation which the snail should have been aware of the second they decided to introduce the stupid scout drones (especially the combination scout drones in 4 man squad and being able to use squadmarker from the drones combination (no cooldown on that btw), would have been kinda easy to just remove the ability to use squadmarker from drones but whatever?). But nothing will happen anyways, because gl banning or reporting 10000s of players that used this till now (including quite a lot of the most famous ccs for war thunder)
i think what it comes down to is that whether it really is a “bug” or not, does it really matter at this point? now you can scout directly from the drone i mean…
Those are vehicle specific problems, scouting through solid cover is a problem with the whole mechanic, which is obviously very different.
You only need common sense to understand that scouting someone you can’t see nor hear isn’t supposed to happen. Just like flying through ground isn’t supposed to happen.
Ofc its not supposed to happen, i agreed numerous times already, neither is scouting a pixel going max speed behind a bush or someone sitting on the other side of 2 buildings with a mark that then is following that guy visible for everyone in 3rd person (and not only on the map). As such a “fundamental” problem I kind of see it as the snails responsibility to adress it instead of just ignoring it for how many years and then suddenly start punishing players “because they should have known better”? Like “We sure knew about it for some years, but now because we tried to adress it in a patch and people began discussing it we start punishing players for it retrospectively”??? Not gonna happen
BTW I’m not using and definitely not abusing this mechanic and certainly not more than the average player, because its too time consuming while youre idling doing nothing, it can fail (or your stupid drone gets shot down, which is almost impossible somehow) and then ur way behind the lines in a pointless position while the enemy team had all that time to push.
you know that the exploit isnt really fixed. you still can do this with your squadron marker so your squadmate can spot him and then you have the bug as long as the drone is active regardless if you used the drone for spotting you´ll get less rewards and longer spot cooldown. so I dont think you can get rid of this problem…