T72 us busted bcuz it has armor and fp and decent mobility
Sabra does not have armor
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I find the turret protection pretty decent, took a lot of hits to the turret and one time only the commander went to Valhalla and it was by T-80UD’s 3BM42, I think its because of the composite screen makes the hitbox appears to be wider so people often hit an empty spot when I show its dome, they shoot way too early and hit non-critical component, but if they shoot late then they get shot so I don’t think they can do anything except killing my commander or hit the breech. The Gal Batash has the same advantage which is empty spot on the turret cheek that bait people into hitting them. I’m still too early to judge so gonna have more matches and see how it goes.
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Sabra has decent turret armour and very good CE protection (for what it is).
The main feature is that it has great firepower, which the T-72A lacks.
9 times out of 10 the Sabra, or even most 9.3s, would win against the T-72A, since most of them get DM33 or better (DM63 for example), and they can even penetrate its UFP, as well as having really bad reverse speed and below average reload speed (and no gun depression).
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T72 has great firepower and sabra turrent wont stop any apfsds in this br also 7.1 sec reaload ia amazing in 9.7
Yes sabra has a lot of pen cuz its a glass cannon but the odds are equal for the win whoever fire first will win the fight and btw dont forget t72 is 9.3
I just spaded my first t72 in germany and it was so ez this tank is busted i got 2 nukes and i didnt even fully spaded it yet sry thats just a skill issue
3BM22 is rather lacking (even worse than 105mm DM23), especially when there’s DM33 that’s common at 9.3, as well as DM63 (practically 3BM42 equivalent).
DM23 / 3BM25 is common at 9.0 / 8.7, which it faces a lot and can regularly stop.
It’s below average, since most NATO MBTs have 6.7s and the Sabra even has a 6.0s reload.
It’s a glass cannon with decent armour and mobility (reverse speed to be more specific) for what it is. I can’t express it enough how useful the turret armour is in a full downtier. It also gets ESS + Thermals, so it can bait unsuspecting players too.
I’d say the Olifant Mk.2 (which is 9.3) would win against it almost every time.
There’s nothing, other than turret armour, that the T-72A is better than it.
Don’t get me wrong, the T-72s are still decent, but they fit a very niche role of having very usable armour in a full downtier / almost full downtier, but mostly be completetly outmatched in every way in an uptier.
(Think of T-64B being just a 0.3 BR higher, or T-80UD / T-72B (TURMST) in a full uptier).
Same cannot really be said with other 9.3 vehicles (other than maybe the OF-40s and Leopard 1A5s).
Most of them have things to offer that higher BR vehicles don’t, which they can use to their advantage.
Idk the names but the t72 round is amazing 425 pen with good angeld pen
Dont compre to full downtier
In full downtier t72 armor is hella busted and it have the best apfsds in this br
No one have expert crew in this br and t72 has autoloader so u have your benefits also all the high pen or high reload rate comes with 0 armor that t72 has
Mobility is less then t72
Decent ptw ratio but only 48 kph is annoying and again same br ur armor us peper
Like is 3 it has amazing armor in downtiers and he gets them a lot but suffers in uptiers
Idk what u want the armor is amazing i guess u are russia or germany main that used to op armor otherwise i dont understant how can u say t72 is underpowerd i think its can go up in br and still be fine
425 flat pen doesn’t mean anything, really.
The angle pen matters more, and it’s similar to that of 105mm DM23, which is below average for that BR.
Like I have said, only good armour in a downtier.
It does not have the best APFSDS at this BR.
Quite a lot of people have expert crew, but not many people have ace crew, that is true.
Mobility is what they make up for.
I’m neither Russian or Germany main.
I see it for how they are, and if you don’t believe me, you can 1v1 me in my Olifant.
Look at leo 1a1 only 0.3 br lower has no armor no auto laser ranfinder mid pen and ok mobilty
Yes, but it has a better reload and is more mobile than the T-72A (especially if you consider the reverse speed). No LRF, but it doesn’t really matter on most maps since most of them are close-range fights anyways. 0.3 BR difference is fairly reasonable in my opinion, although BR decompression around that BR still hasn’t taken into effect yet. I remember when the 8.7s (like the T-55AM-1, Object 122 MC, and Leopard A1A1) were 8.3s, but they tried to decompress the 7.0-8.3 area. 0.7 BR difference may make more sense.
I rly doesnt have any issues with this round exept against t80 and other t72(also the russian t72 has armor kit that make us even better) i can pen everyrhing anywhere
Yea thats what i meant
Exacly and t72 has the armor and decent mobility
Olifent is similar to sabra its a glass canon so it can pen t72 easily which takes away its advantge so i can see why u think t72 is not good but try to play the leos or kpz 70 or m60 against t72
Yes, generally USSR doesn’t really need that much penetration at 8.3 to 10.3, but it can help with stuff like the ZTZ96A, Sabra’s / Challenger Mk.2’s turret cheeks, or Leopard 2AV.
Has the armour only in a downtier, and has mediocre mobility due to the lack of reverse speed.
Sure, but it’s not just the Olifant that can UFP you.
Look at the Leopard 1A5, for example, with DM33 (that is the most common round at 9.3 - 10.0):
even at 500m:
T-72A can easily pen the Leopard 1A5, and the Leopard 1A5 can easily pen you.
Now it just comes to do you want to have mobility / reverse speed / better reload or not.
Of course, if you’re not fighting 9.3 or higher vehicles, then the armour actually matters, and so the T-72A may be better in a lot of cases.
How many leo 2a7 do u see and chaina is with ussr most of the time
T72 top round can pen sabra turret with no issue and its not the end of the world if u need to aim fir weak spots on some uptierd tanks
The armor is great in sametier not just downtier better then sabra and sabra 0.3br higher
The simulator is lying
The turret armor is better then what it shows and this tank is full with volume metric i tell u i eat rounds like nothing and dont forget t72 has low profile this is a very good advange
You know what
Just look at the stats if there is any u will see t72 is performing well
Germany 9.3 line up is amazing even tec reccomended it for the event and t72 is the best in the this line up
Idk maybe u have a playstyle that dont go well with this tank
No 2A7Vs, but a couple 2AVs (especially because it didn’t get moved up during the BR decompression).
Fair enough.
It’s iffy. You can pen some of it, but not really easily.
Same with if you have to deal with a T-72A in an 8.3 / 8.7 vehicle.
You just need to aim for its weak spots.
As I showed you, DM33 goes right through, and it is one of the most common rounds at the BR.
I don’t think so. I have UFP the T-72A many times with DM33, again, if you don’t believe me, we can go into a custom and find out.
The tank’s playstyle is very situational.
Most experienced players prefer playing very mobile and versatile tanks, like the OF-40 MTCA, AMX-32, and stuff like the Leopard 2K at 10.0.
Reverse speed and poor armour at or above its BR can kill you quite easily a lot of the time.
My only complaint about Sabra is that it doesn’t carry smoke shells. Unlike 9.3s Magach, getting into position seems easier when you can mask the routes with smoke, which offsets their poor mobility.
Yea idk why u wrote 2a7 lol
If thats not easily idk what is
The thing is that most of 8.3/7 doesnt have apfsds and yea aim for weak spots thats how u beat strong tanks and sabra is a big weakpoint
Idk i eat a lot of shells on peper u right but volume metric makes this tank very armored
U right about the reverse speed but the armor and engine with low profile and a round that pen everything exept russian ranks make up for it
As i said fact is t72 performing well u r the first person i heard saying t72 is underpowerd
Also dm33 isnt that common i see way more dm13 i think
The one with 337 pen i might be wrong on the name
All the Israel 9.3 Magachs use DM63 and the Brits Olifant has no issues punching through the ufp of T-72A in most angles, when they encounter each other both of them has no armor lol but yeah T-72A works better in a full downtier because their armor is stronger, but uptier I would rather use NATO vehicles as they carry better ammunition, better reload rate and most importantly better optical zoom, just overall better FCS and gun handling to not be restricted by the terrain.
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Well that depends on your playstyle and how magachs do u see?
And the magachs maybe have good fp but no armor and no mobility
Its pros and cons and t72 has its pros and cons but by any mean its not suffering
I wrote 2AV, look back if you don’t believe me.
You did say that this wasn’t easy, so choose which you think is right:
No? Most of them do, especially 8.7.
Name more than two 8.7 MBTs that don’t have APFSDS.
Not for Russian T-55s / T-62s / Obj 122 MC, which are found plentiful in a full downtier:
Hell, even the T-72A’s round can struggle to pen its cheeks:
And being able to stop DM23 in the turret (and some cases DM33), found plentiful in most NATO MBTs at 8.3-9.0:
Turret armour is the only pretty strong part of the tank in an uptier, but you cannot really utilize it well and get into a hull-down position because of its lack of gun depression.
It’s a trade-off for mediocre survivability / reload / mobility, which is fine for casual matches but becomes an issue for more competitive ones.
Not saying it’s underpowered, just saying that it’s pretty good in downtiers but starts to suffer a lot in uptiers, moreso than NATO MBTs at the same BR.
DM23 is fairly common for NATO and Chinese tanks (especially Germany) at around 9.0-8.3
DM33 is quite common for NATO tanks at around 9.3-10.0
So as soon as you face something in an uptier, you will have issues using your armour well in most cases.
I*(i was on a ride)
Both can pen easily
Cant compare to full downtier dude try t72 against any 8.3 and u will see the same results and even better then the sabra
Are u fr?the tank is so green an alien might come to erath to take it back
T72 can do the same dm23 with the 337 pen is ass against t72
Also the sabra in a uptier any of the apfsds will pen anywhere
Sabara has even less survivability and mid engine
So what?play passive
Sabra doesnt have more armor and ur height isnt to ur favor
Like leo 1 and all the merkavas
Ur argument that t72 suffers in uptiers isnt relevant cuz sabra too and almost all the tanks in wt
Same for downtier sabra and t72 both strong in downtier and btw sabra is a br higher then t72 so make sanse its a bit stronger
T72 perform well in its br and thats what matters