Yes, your anti-Russian bias is clearly stopping you from thinking objectively.
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I just suggested that 120S and Sabra are not the only tanks with good firepower in this range.
I also suggested that Sabra should go up to 10.0, but it is inferior to 120S (10.3).
You suggested that sprut has no firepower and should have lower BR than Sabra.
You also suggested that object 292 should not be 10.7, because it is worse than Sabra, so it should be 9.3.
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I said Sabra has better firepower than 2S25M, which is true.
I never said anything about 292 going down to 9.3 nor did I say it’s an objectively worse vehicle.
You are either delusional or can’t read properly, you pick.
bias detected
Yes, definite proof of bias.
Yes, M829A1 with 5s is the best there, followed by M322 with 6s reload.
why do you think with 700-580mm penetration someone would need to reload their gun quickly? lol
Seriously dude, isn’t it easier to accept that the Soviets have tanks with similar firepower to the Sabra and the 120S?
Not to mention that this post is about the Sabra and that we all agree here that the Sabra should go up to 10.0, even knowing that we don’t even have a 10.0 lineup (or 9.7 lol) and that Russia has MBT’s, LT’s, SPAA’s, TD’s, etc in this same range?
Forget it bro, you had a MBT with 700 penetration for almost a year, facing Leopards 1 and Magachs/M60 with 337mm penetration. Stop hitting Israel, it’s not even comparable to the USSR.
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The Object 292 is an entire BR higher than the Sabra currently, and no it wasn’t at 10.0 for an entire year, it got moved up not long after introduction to 10.3, then to 10.7 later.
What tanks are you facing at 9.7-10.7 where the difference between 580 and 700 mm of pen really matters? The reload is far more important, where the 120S has half the reload and the Sabra 60%
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Because GRB is a 16v16 game mode, not 1v1 ?
They have similar firepower, no one denied that. It’s just others have more of it, even if it’s slightly more.
What others have and don’t have means absolutely nothing.
Yes, 700mm of penetration with 10s reload. Against Leopard 1s and M60s it’s literally better to have 3BM42 with 7.1s reload. In those engagements 292 is basically gimped when compared to 3BM42 slingers.
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It means they can fight each other.
It may seem unimportant to you, but Cancer 292 arrived at the end of December at 10.0 and reached 10.7 at the end of October… during all this time I had to regularly confront it with my 9.3 magachs. Sabra arrived less than a month ago and they are already crying, really?
I know Russian players like to run around the middle of the map doing shots like Billy the Kids killing everyone. At least 292 can take/deflect shots, while Sabra is a big piñata.
Ok
If it has anything to do with it, my friend, it’s not a 1vs1 game. It’s 16vs16, you said it yourself.
Israel 10.7 - 9.7 lineup:
Sabra 9.7
chaparral 10.0
Namer 10.7
Merk 2D 9.7 (currently not available)
USSR 10.7 - 9.7 lineup:
T-64B 9.7
T-72B 10.3
T-72B 10.3
T-80B 10.7
2S25M 10.0
Krihzanthema 9.7
OSA 10.3
Strela 10.3
2S6 10.7
BMP-2M 10.3
Object 292 10.7
2S38 10.3
T-72M2 10.7
T-72AV 10.3
T-80UD 10.3
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T-80B is a bigger threat to Magaches than 292 is.
Sabra’s turret can eat some darts.
Why are you leaving out stuff that I wrote ?
They have similar firepower, no one denied that. It’s just others have more of it, even if it’s slightly more.
Vehicles don’t get BRs based around their lineups.
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The gun of 292 is crazy yo but it’s overkill at that br, killing leopard 1s or magachs was like shooting a 155mm HE at a M22, the 292 will perform better in terms of KDR if it has 3BM42 with 7.1 seconds reload as it spend more time sitting around reloading and miss the opportunity to hit targets the T-72s/T-64B could hit, also brawling CQC in that thing isn’t very viable, you risk getting pushed by experienced player after firing a shot, or your get your barrel shot out and constantly putting yourself in that kind of risky situations usually results in you struggle to hit a healthy 2.0 KDR with it bro
Lol russia main crying
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That is not apfsds
To apfsds sabra is paper
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Yes but unlike the 120s the sabra has decent engine
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Even better, it’s the same round the Strv 122s get, which spalls much more than M829A1.
I personally believe that the Sabra should be 10.0.
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In a full downtier (especially against USSR), the hull armour can effectively stop 3BM25, and can even stop 105mm DM33 (for the most part) on the right turret cheek, where the commander and gunner is.
For HEAT projectiles and ATGMs, it’s a lot better.
The Bagel’s TOW ATGM and even the ZBD04’s ATGM can struggle to penetrate anywhere (hull or turret) on the Sabra, other than the exposed turret ring area.
Yes, Sabra is much more armoured than the Sprut, but the Sprut’s mobility cannot be understated.
The Sabra should be at 10.0 and the 2S25M should stay at 10.0; they are both good at that BR, but not overpowered (like the Sabra is atm at 9.7).
Don’t forget that 2S25M also has worse turret rotation speed and much worse vertical targeting speed.
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Yes, I would agree with you that it would be nice that they’d be the same BR, but the Sabra should really be 10.0.
Common rounds at that BR bracket (such as 105mm DM23/33, M774) won’t be able to lolpen your turret armor.