sry, i just got pissed cose ppl think and act like im saying that i discovered hot water… if u know what i mean :)
Yeah, uh, from the replays it looks correct? The Su-30SM2 has a massuve deadzone, and this about looks to be behaving how it should.
I make sure to roll regularly to avoid deadzone issues. Rocking your wing tips 60~ degrees in each direction helps a lot with such issues, so i basically always do.
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You’re wrong actually
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ye… maybe i am… so you saying it can?
i mean how good u can track a target with radar if he is 20m from ground with trees everywhere aournd you chaffing, changing direciton and speed , concidering both the angle of attack is lets say 45 degrees and other is 6oclock so it will climb to maybe 15 degree? i would like to know how trackable the plane is in that situation… u saying it can track constanty? i thikn it would lose the track so often it couldnt even be able to get to you cose while it finds u back ur far… left or right, too much g’s and speed loss, it would probably hit a tree very soon while searching for you… thats what i think is real and what i know so far, i read and heard, but if u did it in person. i would like to know rly
finally a normal person with valid answer… ye i see blind spot can be huge for this plane … it might be the case im not used but honestly dont remember with previous suhoj having any issues… maybe they just nerfed a bit or i didnt had such situations before idk rly …ill play more and ill see…thx for ur answer
they are changing alot they dont publish i figured that out long ago… i mean some changes and balances expecially with missiles. … multypahting might be the same in hight but since amram entered the game it became much harder, especially if enemy is at hight attitude with hihg angle of attack with alot of speed it can be tricky to dodge few amrams especially if ground isnt super flat… and many times i get killed from sharpnells…so u are right, it didint changed, but it actually did… cose is not even close how easy it was before, right:)?
When they added Fox-3s they reduced the height from 100m to 60m.
But it is still 99% the same for every missile. Actually, the missile least affected by MP is the R-77-1 and the large warhead on the Aim-54 and F-90 also kill quite often with the splash damage.
But there is nothing special about AMRAAM with the exception that GNSS on the Aim-120D and PL-12A might (and do want to emphasise “might”) help in some conditons by eliminating IOG Drift
As it stands, MP height should be reduced further. it is an unrealistic height (which is really apprarent for the ARH SAMs) If you need to use MP to defend at top tier. Dont play top tier (particularly if you are playing an aircraft without 360 RWR)
ok but what those 60 meters even mean… thats what i have against… can i be tracked or not… if not…how can i contantly keep low attitude move around and missile follows me…thats what i dont undertand…what that hight represent… what those 60 meters even mean… u can get hit soooo easily if u at 50 lets say…even at 30 i sometimes… and …if i cant get tracked …then how missile always hit so close so explosion hits me… u get my frustration? :) …i mean hight was never issue… i can keep attitude and i do keep it low constantly when im avodiing missiles…but how the fuk each time they fly so close if they cant keep track of me… what i figgured out the best way to do it is to change direction right before they coming … but even then u need to take care ur not too low or they gona expload …i mean u can dodge ofc… but …still hits me sometimes when i was like HOOOW?.. much harder then before… and i dotn get it…what those 60 meters mean…if im being tracked anyway :D
Think of Multipathing as if the ground was a mirror. When the missile is approaching you and you are below 60m, the missile gets confused by which contact is real, you or the reflection below you and will target the reflection.
Spoiler
But if you are in the path of the missile, it will still hit you.
You could always mitigate multipathing by getting the missile to come down at an angle onto the target, The Reduction to 60m only made that a lot easier, especially as consistantly maintaining the multipathing sweet spot of 40-50m is not always possible.
If you are also flying too low, then a suffeciently large warhead will still damage and maybe kill you, quite often happens with the Aim-54s.
This is why I dont use Multipathing, especially at top tier. My average altitude is 25k ft.
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when is confused, when it hits the ground haha? :D …i mean if it missed me so close every time…u can be at low attitude lets say u can fly 20 m constantly… like u dont ever go more then that… and if its confused how so it always goes exactly where i am haha… u can be 50km away or 5 its the sam shit …it always comes to you… and flyes so close no matter ur speed direction manuvering chaffing and keeping super low attitude still comes to u=)… so i dont think game gives the best representation of reality.
cose if u go higher then 50-60 in last second its going to hit u like it was never confused right:D?
Flying too low actually makes it more likely to hit you as you and reflection are much closer together.
Also range doesnt have any bearing on this, if the missile was being supported, then it will find you easily
Chaffing alone doesnt really do anything, you need to defeat the PD seeker on the missile, which means you need to notch.
Changing direction will work if the missile bleeds energy, but if it was fired within the LSZ/NEZ then it will have enough energy to deal with any maneuver
And yes, they can easily find you at low alt, these arent Aim-7s being guided by an early radar affected by ground clutter.
This is correct. They should be more effective than they currently are at engaging low altitude targets.
Yes
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rly? more effective… i didnt knew that honestly… so u want to tell me i should stick to what hight for best effect, just below 60?
That’s your RWR’s blindspot. Not a bug
its huge and i hate it :D… i wrote up there i didnt got used to rly… never happened before
Id actually say learn to defend without MP, especially with such a massive RWR blindspot on the Su-30SM2. Learning to notch and chaff is 100x more effective and then firing R-77-1s at altitude is a lot more effective too .
But if you want to use MP, then stick around 40m or so, not too low but below 60m.
60m is a totally fictional number by Gaijin.
CAMM for example should be set to 0m
Aster-30 about 20ft (about 7m)
Skyflash is about 33m (but not due to MP, prox fuse issues)
I’ve heard AMRAAM is around 40m, but that might be like the skyflash.
There’s something that’s more effective than multipathing.
Spoiler
Notching
30m is best multipath height.
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i have no issues with notching …was just curios why licking the ground isnt so effective anymore,…thx