the t90 and t80 are the ONLY tanks ive struggle with breeches on the type 90 leopard u pen and at least make the breech red (unusable) the t90 it just straight does nothing as russian tanks are HEAVILY favoured by volumetric and the t90s mobility is fine although im a challenger main so im used to it
The other comments should have made it very clear what kind of perception i was talking about. Playing russian tanks does indeed not change the way I react to sensory stimulus.
I know that their weakspots are smaller than on other tanks, because i can VISUALLY PERCIEVE them as being so. Therefore i have no need of playing them, thank you very much. I really pity your pupils tho, imagine going into a tirade like that just because context and double checking is hard.
I understand your experience, and accept it.
My posts’ goals are not to dismiss you or your experience, only to provide a larger picture to help you.
Also volumetric rounds bounce off Abrams just as easily. There are a lot of overlapping plates in the breach area of NATO tanks that aren’t Leopard 2A4 and Type 90.
2A4M and Abrams I’ve seen bounce rounds from enemies shooting DM53 into my breach. Sometimes it happens, cause it hits a really weird angle.
Of course I’ve bounced off T-series breeches myself; for me that was in HSTVL primarily, an expectation to me. I’d expect to bounce off of most breaches with that round. Of the few cases I’ve bounced off breaches with main rounds, every time I’ve hit a weird angle, and it’s against a diverse amount of vehicles.
Even if the underlying reason is the enemy was rotating their turret so the server latency caused the weird angle, that was still me shooting knowing that possibility.
So I apologize if my posts didn’t portray my understanding of your experiences initially.
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no thats fine but as a challenger main im forced to use l27a1 which doesnt perform as well as it should against russian vehicle
Preach!! Brother, Preach!!!
the Merriam Webster dictionary is 1 American English, 2 not always particularly accurate lol.
I as an English teacher in Europe would never use that. Ever.
2 lets breakdown what it’s actually saying here.
so the “awareness through physical sensation : reaction to sensory stimulus” is again using the persons reaction their interpretation to it.
As well as this you’ve absolutely not read what I said, C1 definition of Perception “the way you notice things, especially with the sense”.
Vision is a sense, However it leaves nothing up for interpretation
Stating that it the way a person notices things.
Not
Playing russian tanks would absolutely change how you perceive them and how effective they, how their armour is not as effective as you tend to assume.
Imagine pitying folks passing C1, B2 and such.
Shame on you sir lol
again, your visual “perception” is not the how they are visually seen.
Your complete inhability to understand what perception actually is , is beyond hilarious, which is even funnier, @AlvisWisla literally gave you an example himself not two or three comments above.
The perception of something is entirely derived on how the specific individual sees it.
How you SEE something is not how it is percieved at all.
You can physically See that the weakpoints are larger on NATO tanks
Your perception of this is how you interperate that information, which can be changed if you bothered to use the russian tanks,. OR if you bothered to learn or at least use correctly, the langauge that is 1 my native tongue, two , my profession and 3 understood that you should not take a literal translation from one language to another as how it is.
For example, declension in British English is the way we form all words, bar verbs. that is Conjugation.
I believe in Italian, they use declension for all words, verbs included.
So again, you’ve misunderstood how the word perception is used.
now back on topic here Russian tanks may have slightly smaller weakpoints, depending on what round you’re using, but they have substantially worse surviveability than their NATO counter parts.
Primarily due to
- ammo positioning
- 3 crew members-
- fuel tanks exploding.
On top of this, they are packed with modules, in which when they do get penned, which is quite oftenm they lose a lot of capabilities, which includes their ability to reload.
Most soviet tanks, mot the T90M or 80BVM as well can be penned through the front of their turrets by a decent amount of tanks at their BRs.
For example at 10.7 the L26 of the CR1 can go clean through the T80 easily.
On top of all that, the entire roof of T-72 based tanks is also a weak point as the rounds / spall will always go down into the crew, or into the modules thus rendering it out of action or destroyed.
Lastly, the T80 series tanks have the turret ring which can and usually will be a shot trap. No where near as profound as say, the M1A2 but it is still there, and will definitely disable the tank, even the T80BVM.
So again, while they have “smaller” weak points compared to NATO equivelant weak points, they do also have different weak points which are harder to hide / defend.
Can’t defend the roof of the tank if you’re hull down as soviet MBTs don’t have enough depression. As an example.
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Oi sorry bruv next time ill exclusively use whatever definition suits your personal needs.
Yeah the fucking reaction is that i see and say they are smaller.
Bruh you just completely miss what perception can mean. Youre going strictly by the psychological definition entirely ignoring that the simple biological definition is there as well. Perception is not differently used to Wahrnehmung, perception or perceptio and “seeing” can be used the exact same way as perception. Language needs context, a teacher should know that. I pity your pupils, because i dont want to know how insanely obnoxious you are irl when this ridiculous tirade is how you react to a misunderstanding in a war thunder forum.
Bruh finally some war thunder stuff and not the most annoying english lesson ive ever had.
Yeah russian tank weakspots are probably more destructive when penned however with the current iteration of baskets the difference between a pen on a ru tank or a basket tank is like the difference between someone being dead or in a coma.
Interesting how a single argument turned into an English grammar lecture
Go get him pigeon
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one of the best 10.7 darts can go through the breech of the t80 isnt really shocking but it can do that to literally every other top tier tank aswell so.
He just misused his gig just to mess with ppl online and see how they’re confused with their words… again in his gig lol
Who gives a shit about NATO tanks anyway while you have all the solutions from RU Vehicles
At this point… they let the 10.3 non-RU tanks face the machine thats have spall liners, relic/eras/wireless ammo belt…auto cannon that blackout your barrels within seconds…ATGM to kill mildly competent apponents.
MBT with convenient 2 pixels weak spots at frontal angle that could kill two crews/ ERA on forehead to prevent scalping/ infamous trunions breach convenient for bounce shot times to times…
It is tho. You forgot to mention they have weak and exposed roof which you can lolpen to kill breech or crew.
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much less than nato vehicles and the roof is but CAN be annoying to hit SOMETIMES
if u have issues aiming for the driver’s port u can say it, nobody’s gonna complain about it.
it wouldn’t, it would nulify Russia’s only advantage.
all this vehicles are way better than any russian tank by other factors that aren’t armor.
if u only care about armor then that would mean Maus would do good at 12.7 since it has a lot of angled armor, which is the only thing that matters (in ur brain).
just don’t hit the Relikt, it’s not that hard, they’re huge pieces of metal with special characteristics and can be easily ignored if u have 2 eyes, even easier to ignore if u have goddamn LRF at toptier.
they literally have the same weakspots, just exchanging the turret ring by driver’s port, not anything else.
somebody already showed how ez is to hit the roof here in this topic.
get some skill, bud.
i’m not complaining and crying when i get killed by an “inferior tank” in my russian tanks, the only things i complain about are 35mm cannons being able of penning my frontal armor with 58mm of Random N’ Bugged NATO rounds.
notice how your the only one being rude here grow up
also its not issue aiming for the drivers port some shots will literally just non pen if u hit to close to the hatch. also russias “only advantage” when they have the best top tier cas about to probably be the best top tier spaa and the good mobility on the bvm and the gun handling is nice aswell. and no all those vehicles are not better that russian tanks (the ariete challenger 2 the leclerc and merkava is arguable). and to not hit the relikt u have to either hit below it which isnt exactly fun or above it which also isnt exactly fun cause it will probably not 1 shot and not to mention soemtimes the autoloader just doesnt ignite the ammunition. and like i think everyone said the weakspots are a lot SMALLER on russian tanks as there not as big as nato tanks and the drivers port is still an easy shot on nato tanks anyway
How so?
Its much easier to hit than nato roofs and you can do that while enemy cant even see you with their gun. Killed many self confident fools who thought they can deflect sabots with their roofs. While looking down on them and while they pop up from hill.
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smaller lfp smaller drivers port compared to SOME top tier tanks (challenger for example) smaller breech area and trolly side armour sometimes