The thing is with BVM, is that the armor really isn’t that good.
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Now don’t get me wrong, the armor isn’t bad, but its nowhere near as good as people hype it up to be. The survivability is also pretty bad due to vertical autoloader, lack of spall liner or protected fuel tanks, and ofc lack of crew.
Its a fun tank for sure, plays like a go-kart, but the second you meet someone with intelligence above the level of a microwave, you aren’t tanking anything. Beyond the armor, it doesnt have much going for it. The forwards mobility is good, the HE shell is nice, and… that’s it.
Its capable of 6.5 in theory, but with ZTZ99A and VT4 getting 6.66, I would wager that other AZ autoloaders would get that as well, if they ever get buffed.
Because they’ll still be relatively weak, then add 13.0 where the:
Leopard 2A7V
Strv 122B+ (and maybe PLSS)
Leclerc AZUR (maybe)
Type 10 & TKX (obviously because they’re next-gen),
all go to.
And then add the T-80BVM Obr. 2023 with the 25km/h reverse gear and the T-90M Arena-M (or Obr. 2023/24/25) to 13.0 as well.
This would even out top tier quite a lot.
The SEP v3 and newer Leopard 2A7s would naturally go to 13.0 as well when they’re added.
Come on please, NATO has to deal with sabotaged fake ammo.
Challenger 2 APFSDS has IRL 700mm and 730mm RHA penetration but in game it’s 564mm? That’s with the rifled barrel handicap compared to other NATO nations ammo with 800mm+. The NERA packs act like ERA that doesn’t work… sabotage. I can sight about 30 things where the Western nation players get ripped off by Gaijin’s interpretation of Western equipment.
How much Russian bias do you need to be satisfied?
This game sabotages nearly every Western model because it’s so superior. Imagine a game where who ever shoots first generally winds instead of fake armour performance where 45 ton tanks have better armour mass then 75 ton tanks. This game is a joke. 4th year running no subscription for this rubbish.
That is complete bullsht. The penetrator is only 605-660mm long depending on source. You also seem to not know the difference between LOS and actual penetration.
It has worse round and thermals (albeit that is qol). However, it has 7 km/h higher top speed than 2A7 (68 vs 61). Aside from that? Not much difference, and they are sidegrades overall.
The targeting is the same.
Eitherway you’re right it’s just a slightly better Leopard with some slightly worse things. I’ve never cared about the difference between gen2 and gen3 thermals since I’m on 1080p and they look identical, but gen3 thermals MUST be part of the criteria for a tank to be 13.0 to be honest.
follow up question then, do YOU think AZ autoloader tanks should get the buff?
Id kill to have those Relikt bags on side of my tanks thats for sure lol.
I mean playing aggresively and staying on the move is playing to its strengths, no? assuming since if theres one thing thats less reliable than time table of arrivals of České dráhy trains, its gaijins spaghetti code when it comes to penetrating moving targets. but thats true for any armored tank I suppose, not BVM exclusive.
and all the gun handling in the world wont save you when BVM has the same gun handling as other top tier MBTs but your shot just disappears into the shadow realm and now he has the whole calendar year to line up HIS shot.
thinkking about it, id suppose more people would be more willing to admit russian tanks do have their own weaknesses if the game worked properly most of the time.
I think the better option is to bring AZ and MZ (T-80) all to 6.5. But that might just be me. T-80s are not too strong with 6s, I will say that.
Definitely. When you stop moving in BVM, you die. Simple as. Its just too reliant on the enemy whiffing or you getting lucky with RNG. The tank’s many flaws are what lead BVM to being played like this, and thus I cannot call it good. Its just ok-solid.
However, I still believe BVM survivability is pretty terrible, 95% of half decent shots to your hull will kill you. 2A7/122, 90M, and BMPT are the only vehicles that can somewhat reliably (not reliably) tank a penetrating hull shot and still be able to fight back. BVM is not in this list.
You’re asking for his opinion regarding AZ loaders, but I’ll state mine anyway: I think AZ loaders need a small buff because they are utter garbage in high skill competition. But if that happens, T-72A and 2S25 need to immediately go to 9.7 and the 2S25M to 10.3.
As a 2S25M main and lover, that tank is incredibly good. If you doubt my skill regarding top tier Russian tanks, my love for the 2S25M should speak volumes because it’s just a taller no-armor T-72 with actually good mobility which I play better at 12.7 than I do at 10.0.
So even going by your own figures where’s the other 41 to 96mm.
Why are Russian belts velocity made with high velocity rounds in the beginning of the belt composition when Western bet are made with the slowest velocity round in the beginning dictating the lower performance.
Why is the F15 so slow.
Why dose Apache 30mm miss it’s fragmentation pattern, why does Western bombs have their overpressure nerfed. Why does the F111 fail to fold it’s wing to 45 degrees with gun pod’s on reducing aerodynamics and spreading out it’s burst pattern, why does Apache radar not work, over 100 targets should be marked on the HUD to choose from, Why does Hellfire missile miss it’s over pressure. Why do Western tanks miss spall liners, why do STANAG 6 performance armour facing’s on Western IFV’s not protect against 30mm? Why does Western IFV APDS have it’s armour penetration reduced? Why do AIM9’s not improve in range over the different block enhancements?
Why are tail rotor helicopters less agile in the yaw profile than counter rotating disc choppers, it should be the reverse?
Why is helical torque converters in modern Western MBT’s not represented in tank acceleration profiles along with regenerative steering?
Why is Brim Stone missing it’s correct targeting profile?
Why is HSVTL missing fire rate and armour penetration?
Why is TOW2-B unusable nerf dart?
Why is laser automated targeting on Western Air to Air missiles not working such as APKWS?
Why is Falcon not allowed it’s APDS when BMPT a far more egregious model exists?
Why dose the CT40 cannon have half the armour penetration performance?
Why do Western Air to Air missiles refuse to come off the rails when you have a lock?
Why does chopper IRCM work on Russian choppers as an unassailable shield with no dead zones?
Why does DU ammo not always start fires?
Why does F16 miss the ability to carry (x6) AIM120’s?
Why does Star Streak not work anymore on PC and missing velocity?
Why does Russian ERA work and Westrn ERA not work?
And NO, LOS penetration is not what it can actually penetrate at 0. The British measure penetration at 76.1 degrees and put it into a formula to get the 0 equivalent. It CANNOT penetrate that much at 0, its an inflated number.
The lack of reply to anything I said is just a sign of loss.
Logic isn’t something you particularly put into any of your arguments is it.
There is an innate hate for Russian vehicles when they’re actually quite bad. Simply because people dislike Russia. It’s a western world thing.
And I am no hypocrite for saying people that don’t play Russia comment on Russia being overpowered, because western tanks objectively have more than Russian tanks.
