It was a “balance” decision (they didnt want it to go higher in BR possibly). Now that we have the Booger I don’t mind.
Overall I think our current load times are pretty alright, though AZ/Chinese ones could do with a small buff.
The Problem as I see it; is that it makes it less likely for the M1’s reload rate buff(went from 10RPM to 12 across the board for both the 105 & 120mm variants) to be reverted when it actually has its multitude of underlying structural issues actioned, as it appears that that’s what the buff is standing in for.
Means =/= say
They’re 4x more effective. Carrying too many CM is good, but u aren’t going to spend them all in 1 match, and u will probably die before being near of running out of them. Sometimes less is more.
If u don’t know how CM and LCCM work, i can show u a comparison (which i have already showed) about their differences and how effective each one is.
Keep ur reality closed, buddy…
Just like F-15A was as ez as just multipathing the AIM-7M and dogfighting it…
I still don’t understand ur point.
Larger has a slight edge? Wait till i hope in my computers and i will show u how “slight” it is.
Skill Issue, basically.
While having higher firerate which means u spend way more ammo in a single burst.
That’s why u have missiles, pookie ;)
Especially at 12.7/13.0.
Says the one who still believes the F-15A was better than the Su-27 even when i have proven multiple times it was not as good as the Flanker, and starts to call things “irrelevant” and saying “u’re getting agitated”.
Yesterday I decides to hop into my Su-27 to revive the old memories and confirm i was right and, tbh, it’s still very good even against Fox-3s, something i’m pretty sure the F-15A wouldn’t be able of doing if it was still at 13.0.
Which doesn’t mean i’m against the idea of making it return to 13.0, so pls put down ur torch which u wanna kill me with.
F-15A was better cuz better FM, better radar, better idfk and that’s why it’s better c:
Nothing of what u have said (like the radar, the gun with more ammo, the CM) proves the F-15A was better than the Su-27, and even nowdays people still agree that the Su-27 is better in every single way and that’s why they hate it so much.
Su-27 had insane survivability, R-73, R-27ER, HMD, more thrust, better maneuverability (which u can’t admit), better CM even if it had less, and insane amount of missiles (people complained about it having too many missiles for toptier, 10 was too much in that time).
The only good things the F-15A had over the Su-27 were better radar and RWR, better FM, and lots of CM.
I feel shame for talking with somebody who lived in a fake reality where USA is actually good.
They haven’t been good at all since the F-15E, that was, as i said, the golden age for USA, since AIM-120B was still useable and the F-15E was extremely superior compared to the Su-27SM.
I have watched the 4 videos i showed u and none of them said or showed the R-73 could “spin-out”, in fact, the R-73 was one of the best missiles in the game for how it worked, people used it for EVERYTHING.
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U must be ragebaiting atp, there’s absolutely not a single way u can say R-73 is ez to dodge when all u have to do to flare the AIM-9M is just barrel roll it.
If u know how to chaff that’s not going to happen.
Still better by the fact it’s faster and has more acceleration, it’s a close-range SARH missile like any other missile with low burning time (which is usually due to the acceleration/thrust of the missile).
Idk, but as i have proven, i own the Rafale.
U must have confused it with Pneumatic suspension, lol.
Yeah u must.
It is worse than the Su-27 and MiG-29.
MiG-29 beats it in a dogfight and Su-27 wins in BVR.
Says the one who’s acting like a child cuz i disagree with the F-15A being better than the Su-27
This sounds like hipocresy atp.
Does it especifically say “better flight performance and dogfighting capabilitiesthan the Su-27?” Pretty sure not, right, DEFYN fan?
This proves u actually weren’t reading my reply at all…
Discussing and arguing cuz somebody has a different opinión as u like, for example, Su-27 better than F-15A
U’re ragebaiting atp, truly.
U’re hypocrite too.
And now u’re calling moderators???
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Aahh Gaijin making combos of different vehicles in a single one, how original from them.
Whatever, the discussion has went off-topic a long time ago, we have went from especifically russian tanks to F-15A and Su-27 back in 2023.
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That’s still two rotation operations from the loaded round since you go;
Loaded shell>Dummy>3BM60>Dummy>3BM60, etc.
not one, also on the cyclogram there is no mention of an added rotation step to cycle to the next round during the loading process so it doesn’t happen alongside other steps, nor hunts for the next selected round during downtime, it waits until the gunner or commander instruct it to do so, and then proceeds to cycle the cassette to the next selected round.
Similarly the only procedural requirement for the loader to fire the M68A1 or M256 is that the M1’s ammo Bulkhead door is closed before the gun is armed so a theoretical best possible time would be ~0.8 seconds from the prior shell being ejected, since that is the time that the door takes before it can be overridden to return to the closed position. Not that it’s possible to do this from inside the tank’s fighting compartment since you need to manually close some valves.
It would spread the same amount of APFSDS rounds over more of the Cassete so there is a greater chance that there happens to be one in the path of a penetrator /spall when the tank has reduced ammo count.
So really depends on by how much you normally underload the tank by.
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yeah need to put the pantsir in 11.3 because much time play in this br…
It also is lovely that in the end, this derailment of the F-15A being allegedly OP is ironically shifting the topic from the question if Russian MBTs deserve any kind of buff or not.
To which I already gave my opinion at the start of the topic, but still, in an exercise to prove how the US is allegedly OP, they ended up derailing a concern among Russian players.
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The blk 50 still had HMS (a really useful and even underrated tool on the IR/SARH meta), an acceptable FM to ratefight an F-15A and 7Ms to counter the eagle’s own BVR capabilites. Missile count is only behind on 2 while only losing top speed and acceleration, instead it gets a better and consistent radar, and HMS to get better offbore slings, and thus, the 9Ms IRCCM to perform better on angled slings.
It took them three weeks to fix it, cut the crap. They gimped the AIM-120s faster than that.
It isn’t, because you’re being populist, and it shows through the arguments you’re appealing to.
And people shouldn’t be thoroughly opinionated on vehicles they havent played by their own, or performed within acceptable levels.
And I have played it as well, both F-15A and J, and soon enough, I’ll give it the Baz a go. And the F-15A you describe sounds more like the F-15C MSIP II than the F-15A, which is a technologically limited aircraft with a decent FM that competes against both R-27ER+20km HMS/ARH+HMS/IOG+DL SARH kits, effectively being at a tactical disadvantage unless you position yourself decently, which in a 16v16 turns out to be quite complicated to do on a consistent basis.
But keep derailing based on your own beliefs, I won’t stop you.
This conversation really helps Russian players on this topic lol. /s clearly.
yeah i wouldn’t be surprised at all if the topic gets closed or all the discussion about F-15A vs. Su-27 gets removed by moderators.
Cut the crap?
Why talk like 3 weeks for gaijin fixing something is not exceptionally fast lol
How am I being populist? wtf are you on about lad lol
I’m not sitting here trying to appeal to a section of the community who feel disregarded by an elite standing section of the community xD
learn the words before you start slinging them around.
I’m objectively stating the advantages that the F15A had when it released.
Okay ?
how is that in any way relevent to what I am saying
That’s more of an attack on @Ion_492 than anything else using his liking of my comment as a gateway for it.
I have said nothing here meant for Ion to like or dislike I have tagged @AlvisWisla and that was it.
You having a bone to pick with Ion and how they feel or may not feel about planes is absolutely irrelevant to my post.
Which was orginally that teh F15A has no business being the same or lower than the mig29 as it’s objectively a better plane.
Not at all ? lol if i wanted to talk about the MSIP II which I also have I would reference it.
F15A had
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better RWR than the Su27
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better radar than su27
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better FM
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better sustainedfight which in ARB is fantastic meaning you can go from fight to fight without having to hyper manage energy like su27 did and still does have to.
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more counter measures
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better cockpit as well.
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was worse in missile count and quality of SARH missiles.
At no stage have I debated the fact the Su27 was a missile bus
I have concurrently stated the Su27 had worse flight characteristics (still does) and better missiles ( still does)
the original point being the fact the damn F15A got to sit at 12.3 aka under BRd’ while other vehicles moved up, such as the Su27,. mig29 SMT.
which now again the F15A sits at 12.7 when it should be 13.0 the same BR as the Su27
Su27 excels in low speed dogfights, which in ARB if you are in one, you are definitely dead.
Derailing what lol.
i merely responded to others.
IF you’d like I can give a run down on russian tanks too not being over great or bad.
they just got a buff lol
No they do not need a buffright now.
The US tree is quite brilliant mate it’s my most used top tier MBTs as well as I believe my most used air tree but that may be britain
They fixed the BMP-Ts overpressure issues with its missiles within FOUR (4) days into the update, THAT’S EXCEPTIONALLY FAST. Three weeks (TWENTY ONE days) isn’t.
Saying X or Y vehicle is simply OP or flawless without any considerable nuance about it is simply being populist, and thus it gets attention from people biased enough without any own experiences with the vehicles.
Which were very questionable and skill-depending when compared to any other meta vehicle back then. And as of today, 2026, they’re outdated by airframes with either better Flight performance, radar, missile kit or all of the prior.
Worst at BVR engagements, worst at short range missile engagements. Only better at medium range skirmishes, the MiG-29 has definitely niche yet very powerful advantages in a vacuum.
Irrelevant in ARB, you can guesstimate a general direction with 3rd person view.
Irrelevant within 20km, HMS refresh rate in-game works quite similar to ESA radars.
Give it a go now, buddy. The Su-27 is quite able to pull and hold energy at the same time. Time to move on from Air superiority. They’ve buffed the plane since then.
Nothing burger.
Not better, High caliber CMs are 5x more effective. You need only a couple chaffs per missile to spoof it completely, whereas an F-15 needs a couple chaff tosses (6-8 chaff to perform a clean notch under perfect circumstances).
Useless in ARB, the main mode by player count.
Finally conceding something (And honestly, a minuscule thing which isn’t really a considerable disadvantage at the BR)? God in heaven: The heat death of the universe has arrived, finally.
Read the title of the thread.
cope harder
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Both premium Su-30s and the BMPT-72 are functional trycicles, they demand minimal skill and game knowledge to make them work. The Su-30SM2 is a handheld vehicle. The Rafale was, for an entire year, the easiest top tier airframe to play. Before it, the F-15E was the most egregious example of imbalance.
This is not a serious argument anymore.
You’re the one stuck in time dude, it’s not on anyone else here. The game has evolved, so the planes in it. The F-15A has definitely seen worse days, but now at 12.7 is not as OP as any of the “F-15A OP” guild has tried to state.
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I believe they’re storing those upgrades for another variant down the road. A fake “202X mod.” or smth like it, along SepV3, 2A8 and a new gen of MBTs, while they can clearly add those on the current T-90M and would still be historical.
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with Relikt 2.0, now 200% more resistant!
Stalin really loves it’s own tanks!
So let me get this straight.
You, flag my post.
Then post more disinformation…?
Wow.
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