from what i have found, the Su-27SM is not any frankenstein, it’s a normal Su-27SM.
Su-27SM2/3 uses Su-35BM’s technology like the Irbis-E, and SM3 can use R-77-1.
the current Su-27SM we have ingame doesn’t have Irbis-E, nor even R-77-1, nor even thrust vectoring.
I’m sorry but if you say the 96 LCM is better then that means they are more of an advantage.
What you’ve said right here just contradicts yourself completely, as well as the entire point you’ve made about them being 4x as effective.
the Su27 was in fact not better than the F15A at all.
It was a missile bus that the majority of it’s missiles were rendered obsolete by multipath.
Okay *that is completely irrelevant to the F15A though isn’t it^
The fact is once they over compensated for the RCMs being not as good both perform near enough the same, ofc large has a slight edge but the regular ones are no where near as far behind as they used to be like when Mig23 MLD dropped.
More ammo literally is better?
More ammo equates to
Not at all, you literally cannot type a coherent sentence, presumably because you’re becoming agitated or what not over it, hence why you randomly started insulting me over nothing.
what lies have I told?
the F15A had a better FM than the su27 when added?
Has a better FM than the fulcrum in game?
is better than both planes?
becuase it literally is better than both of them.
the F15A as I said was held back due to morons not knowing how to use it properly, when it was 12.3 and even the mig29 SMT was 12.7 lol…
Shame on me, for not being able to understand something which you wrote?
I feel no shame at all.
1 the instantanious turn is literally only what matters for one turn, if you missed / miss you are completely dead in the water.
2 instantanious turn is irrelevant with IRCCM missiles and was a detriment to the R73 due to the thrust vectoring causing the missiles to spin out.
the R73 was decent but they were A-symetrical like I said, the 9M was absolutely fantastic as it is smokeless and out ranged the the R73 by quite a bit.
aswell as this the IRCCM on it was solid af as well.
R73 you can dodge extremely easily.
to be fair all of them now can be dodged or beaten easily-
You literally give the missile advantages pitching up mate?
It will 1 gain on you faster and 2 be more manueverable than the plane is.
530D is only faster for a brief period, but it loses so much speed due to how it turns. That’s literally its
gimmick is that it’s just the right speed to be used at 2- 6km without having to worry too much with the AoA
Yeha mate I am looking at your stats for rank 8 France and there is nothing htere lol
maybe due to the rank 9 being released and statshark not showing them?
You literally can in game mate that’s the funny thing about them.
no I am not it’s just an easy to avoid them.
No but you are the one. who deciced to jump down my throat about hwo the F15 is worse than the Su27 and Fulcrum when it’s objectively not**
WTF do you mean probably?
You definitely are a child man.
sitting dishing insults to those who disagree for absolutely nothing is ridiculous.
HE literally states in the F15 videos that it has better flight performance and better dogfight capabilities.
which is literally what I said.
The su27 was , and is a missile bus lol.
I haven’t insulted you yet.
An observaton of attitude is not an insult.
literally against the ToS of the forums to insult other members of the forums for disagreeing but pop off lad
the 16C was heavier than the 15A mate had worse over all TWR as well
Which was fixed extremely quickly.
the fact an other person liked is it irrelevent to the point mate:
You say that ION hasn’t used it, and that’s fine, I have and I know what it can and can’t do lol
Much akin to the Eurofighters and what not
SM2 basically doesn’t exist iirc.
It suppose to have upgraded radar but the whole idea scrapped and current SM is the mix of SM3.
It uses the upgraded engine that can be found on SM3 while it also has double pylons from Su-35.
Normally extra missiles should be located on additional wing pylons but Gaijin decided to create Frankenstein SM.
But now they’re realistic ❤️
I do believe me posting the documents for 2 years straight, the devs finally got to fixing it.
No they’re not, it doesn’t yet take the placement of ammo in the cassette into account. The only reason it gets the good reloads is because it’s assumed to only ever need to translate a single stage. Or two in the case of 3BM60. Which isn’t necessarily possible even with a unitary load.
It also isn’t modeled on the damage model so the ammo is effectively far more compressed than it should be; even though other Vehicles (e.g. M551) have their magazines specifically modeled on top of limited quantity.
If it was that simple there would be a number of reports that would have been fixed by now.
It’s fairly obvious that Suggestions only really get implemented when balance dictates that it would be more suitable than a BR change.
This isn’t done for a reason. It would be really annoying, and affects all autoloaders, and to a degree, human ones as well. Its a video game, it shouldn’t be hyper realistic.
A simpler version of this is found on BVM and all AZ vehicles bar the ZTZ99A and VT4’s, which have a slower reload speed (6.4 for 3BM60 in case of BVM) and universal + 0.34s on all AZ’s.
The Chinese and AZ should all be 6.66 at most, though the Chinese autoloaders can reload in 6.5 without cycling, which I think they should get.
Sure, but my point is that in some cases the reload rates are less than they should otherwise be possible since some types of ammo are not able to be loaded side by side, or next to one another so would delay follow on rounds. by Gaijin after this most recent change assumes that they are always the best possible case regardless of what else is loaded.
The fairest way to do this would be to assume that autoloaders should reload at a rate consistent with shells being loaded uniformly spaced in the cassette to equivalize reloads between round types as one would expect IRL since there is no way to know what may be needed next and so hedges against it.
Besides why did this change miss out on the M1128? It’s currently at ~7.5 seconds when it is known to have operated at 6 seconds? and the 7.5 reload is currently interpolated between two sources. As the rate was reduced to increase due to reliability issues.
It was a “balance” decision (they didnt want it to go higher in BR possibly). Now that we have the Booger I don’t mind.
Overall I think our current load times are pretty alright, though AZ/Chinese ones could do with a small buff.
The Problem as I see it; is that it makes it less likely for the M1’s reload rate buff(went from 10RPM to 12 across the board for both the 105 & 120mm variants) to be reverted when it actually has its multitude of underlying structural issues actioned, as it appears that that’s what the buff is standing in for.
Means =/= say
They’re 4x more effective. Carrying too many CM is good, but u aren’t going to spend them all in 1 match, and u will probably die before being near of running out of them. Sometimes less is more.
If u don’t know how CM and LCCM work, i can show u a comparison (which i have already showed) about their differences and how effective each one is.
Keep ur reality closed, buddy…
Just like F-15A was as ez as just multipathing the AIM-7M and dogfighting it…
I still don’t understand ur point.
Larger has a slight edge? Wait till i hope in my computers and i will show u how “slight” it is.
Skill Issue, basically.
While having higher firerate which means u spend way more ammo in a single burst.
That’s why u have missiles, pookie ;)
Especially at 12.7/13.0.
Says the one who still believes the F-15A was better than the Su-27 even when i have proven multiple times it was not as good as the Flanker, and starts to call things “irrelevant” and saying “u’re getting agitated”.
Yesterday I decides to hop into my Su-27 to revive the old memories and confirm i was right and, tbh, it’s still very good even against Fox-3s, something i’m pretty sure the F-15A wouldn’t be able of doing if it was still at 13.0.
Which doesn’t mean i’m against the idea of making it return to 13.0, so pls put down ur torch which u wanna kill me with.
F-15A was better cuz better FM, better radar, better idfk and that’s why it’s better c:
Nothing of what u have said (like the radar, the gun with more ammo, the CM) proves the F-15A was better than the Su-27, and even nowdays people still agree that the Su-27 is better in every single way and that’s why they hate it so much.
Su-27 had insane survivability, R-73, R-27ER, HMD, more thrust, better maneuverability (which u can’t admit), better CM even if it had less, and insane amount of missiles (people complained about it having too many missiles for toptier, 10 was too much in that time).
The only good things the F-15A had over the Su-27 were better radar and RWR, better FM, and lots of CM.
I feel shame for talking with somebody who lived in a fake reality where USA is actually good.
They haven’t been good at all since the F-15E, that was, as i said, the golden age for USA, since AIM-120B was still useable and the F-15E was extremely superior compared to the Su-27SM.
I have watched the 4 videos i showed u and none of them said or showed the R-73 could “spin-out”, in fact, the R-73 was one of the best missiles in the game for how it worked, people used it for EVERYTHING.
U must be ragebaiting atp, there’s absolutely not a single way u can say R-73 is ez to dodge when all u have to do to flare the AIM-9M is just barrel roll it.
If u know how to chaff that’s not going to happen.
Still better by the fact it’s faster and has more acceleration, it’s a close-range SARH missile like any other missile with low burning time (which is usually due to the acceleration/thrust of the missile).
Idk, but as i have proven, i own the Rafale.
U must have confused it with Pneumatic suspension, lol.
Yeah u must.
It is worse than the Su-27 and MiG-29.
MiG-29 beats it in a dogfight and Su-27 wins in BVR.
Says the one who’s acting like a child cuz i disagree with the F-15A being better than the Su-27
This sounds like hipocresy atp.
Does it especifically say “better flight performance and dogfighting capabilitiesthan the Su-27?” Pretty sure not, right, DEFYN fan?
This proves u actually weren’t reading my reply at all…
Discussing and arguing cuz somebody has a different opinión as u like, for example, Su-27 better than F-15A
U’re ragebaiting atp, truly.
U’re hypocrite too.
And now u’re calling moderators???
Aahh Gaijin making combos of different vehicles in a single one, how original from them.
Whatever, the discussion has went off-topic a long time ago, we have went from especifically russian tanks to F-15A and Su-27 back in 2023.
That’s still two rotation operations from the loaded round since you go;
Loaded shell>Dummy>3BM60>Dummy>3BM60, etc.
not one, also on the cyclogram there is no mention of an added rotation step to cycle to the next round during the loading process so it doesn’t happen alongside other steps, nor hunts for the next selected round during downtime, it waits until the gunner or commander instruct it to do so, and then proceeds to cycle the cassette to the next selected round.
Similarly the only procedural requirement for the loader to fire the M68A1 or M256 is that the M1’s ammo Bulkhead door is closed before the gun is armed so a theoretical best possible time would be ~0.8 seconds from the prior shell being ejected, since that is the time that the door takes before it can be overridden to return to the closed position. Not that it’s possible to do this from inside the tank’s fighting compartment since you need to manually close some valves.
It would spread the same amount of APFSDS rounds over more of the Cassete so there is a greater chance that there happens to be one in the path of a penetrator /spall when the tank has reduced ammo count.
So really depends on by how much you normally underload the tank by.
yeah need to put the pantsir in 11.3 because much time play in this br…
It also is lovely that in the end, this derailment of the F-15A being allegedly OP is ironically shifting the topic from the question if Russian MBTs deserve any kind of buff or not.
To which I already gave my opinion at the start of the topic, but still, in an exercise to prove how the US is allegedly OP, they ended up derailing a concern among Russian players.
The blk 50 still had HMS (a really useful and even underrated tool on the IR/SARH meta), an acceptable FM to ratefight an F-15A and 7Ms to counter the eagle’s own BVR capabilites. Missile count is only behind on 2 while only losing top speed and acceleration, instead it gets a better and consistent radar, and HMS to get better offbore slings, and thus, the 9Ms IRCCM to perform better on angled slings.
It took them three weeks to fix it, cut the crap. They gimped the AIM-120s faster than that.
It isn’t, because you’re being populist, and it shows through the arguments you’re appealing to.
And people shouldn’t be thoroughly opinionated on vehicles they havent played by their own, or performed within acceptable levels.
And I have played it as well, both F-15A and J, and soon enough, I’ll give it the Baz a go. And the F-15A you describe sounds more like the F-15C MSIP II than the F-15A, which is a technologically limited aircraft with a decent FM that competes against both R-27ER+20km HMS/ARH+HMS/IOG+DL SARH kits, effectively being at a tactical disadvantage unless you position yourself decently, which in a 16v16 turns out to be quite complicated to do on a consistent basis.
But keep derailing based on your own beliefs, I won’t stop you.
This conversation really helps Russian players on this topic lol. /s clearly.
yeah i wouldn’t be surprised at all if the topic gets closed or all the discussion about F-15A vs. Su-27 gets removed by moderators.
Cut the crap?
Why talk like 3 weeks for gaijin fixing something is not exceptionally fast lol
How am I being populist? wtf are you on about lad lol
I’m not sitting here trying to appeal to a section of the community who feel disregarded by an elite standing section of the community xD
learn the words before you start slinging them around.
I’m objectively stating the advantages that the F15A had when it released.
Okay ?
how is that in any way relevent to what I am saying
That’s more of an attack on @Ion_492 than anything else using his liking of my comment as a gateway for it.
I have said nothing here meant for Ion to like or dislike I have tagged @AlvisWisla and that was it.
You having a bone to pick with Ion and how they feel or may not feel about planes is absolutely irrelevant to my post.
Which was orginally that teh F15A has no business being the same or lower than the mig29 as it’s objectively a better plane.
Not at all ? lol if i wanted to talk about the MSIP II which I also have I would reference it.
F15A had
better RWR than the Su27
better radar than su27
better FM
better sustainedfight which in ARB is fantastic meaning you can go from fight to fight without having to hyper manage energy like su27 did and still does have to.
more counter measures
better cockpit as well.
was worse in missile count and quality of SARH missiles.
I have concurrently stated the Su27 had worse flight characteristics (still does) and better missiles ( still does)
the original point being the fact the damn F15A got to sit at 12.3 aka under BRd’ while other vehicles moved up, such as the Su27,. mig29 SMT.
which now again the F15A sits at 12.7 when it should be 13.0 the same BR as the Su27
Su27 excels in low speed dogfights, which in ARB if you are in one, you are definitely dead.
Derailing what lol.
i merely responded to others.
IF you’d like I can give a run down on russian tanks too not being over great or bad.
they just got a buff lol
No they do not need a buffright now.
The US tree is quite brilliant mate it’s my most used top tier MBTs as well as I believe my most used air tree but that may be britain
They fixed the BMP-Ts overpressure issues with its missiles within FOUR (4) days into the update, THAT’S EXCEPTIONALLY FAST. Three weeks (TWENTY ONE days) isn’t.
Saying X or Y vehicle is simply OP or flawless without any considerable nuance about it is simply being populist, and thus it gets attention from people biased enough without any own experiences with the vehicles.
Which were very questionable and skill-depending when compared to any other meta vehicle back then. And as of today, 2026, they’re outdated by airframes with either better Flight performance, radar, missile kit or all of the prior.
Worst at BVR engagements, worst at short range missile engagements. Only better at medium range skirmishes, the MiG-29 has definitely niche yet very powerful advantages in a vacuum.
Irrelevant in ARB, you can guesstimate a general direction with 3rd person view.
Irrelevant within 20km, HMS refresh rate in-game works quite similar to ESA radars.
Give it a go now, buddy. The Su-27 is quite able to pull and hold energy at the same time. Time to move on from Air superiority. They’ve buffed the plane since then.
Nothing burger.
Not better, High caliber CMs are 5x more effective. You need only a couple chaffs per missile to spoof it completely, whereas an F-15 needs a couple chaff tosses (6-8 chaff to perform a clean notch under perfect circumstances).
Useless in ARB, the main mode by player count.
Finally conceding something (And honestly, a minuscule thing which isn’t really a considerable disadvantage at the BR)? God in heaven: The heat death of the universe has arrived, finally.
Read the title of the thread.
cope harder
