Russian top tier tanks need a fair buff

[Beeschurger]

@BabySoEz

Wtf is green number gonna do here?

Show you have basic understanding of how the game plays and that you are able to utilize that knowledge?

[BabySoEz]

I do have green stat on the latest session, WT isn’t just a game where you single hand leverage the whole lobby.

[_Renzo]

@BabySoEz

what’s goated?

It’s probably the most well rounded and deep lineup at 10.7.

You want to have a tank with armor? Bishma.
You want good sniper(s)? Chally 1 Mk.3 and Chally DS.
You want a fast flanker with solid firepower? Vickers Mk.7.
Have to deal with air? Bring one or two of the 5 AAs you can choose from.
Want to do light tank stuff? CRV and Ajax are both decent and fun, but situational.

[BabySoEz]

@__Renzo__

It’s probably the most well rounded and deep lineup at 10.7.

You want to have a tank with armor? Bishma.
You want good sniper(s)? Chally 1 Mk.3 and Chally DS.
You want a fast flanker with solid firepower? Vickers Mk.7.
Have to deal with air? Bring one or two of the 5 AAs you can choose from.
Want to do light tank stuff? CRV and Ajax are both decent and fun, but situational.

The line up is there but the BR is currently unplayable… I still play the BR through losses for the chally mk3 looking cool

[Caernarvon02]

the average is 0.6-0.7 bro…

this games average player is abysmal

[An_Pigeon]

@Flanker_Thunder

here we go

An Pigeon:

here we go what? the F15A when it dropped was in the top 3 as best planes in the game.
Beaten out only by the gripen and the F16s Flight model wise.

@Flanker_Thunder

while having more thrust and better maneuverability

An Pigeon:

it had better instantanious turn because it literally bled all its speed with one turn.
the F15A had better rate, and sustained turns than the Su27 did.

@Flanker_Thunder

exchanged by large caliber countermesures which are WAY better than normal countermesures

An Pigeon:

again, the large CMs on the SU27 are good, but not comparable to over 200 standard ones.
They have far less longevity per match.

If you are poppping more than once or twice with standard ones, you’re doing it wrong.

@Flanker_Thunder

but bigger and way more lethal

An Pigeon:

okay so it’s larger caliber leading to

• it being harder to aim as it has worse velocity
• fires less rounds which means more chances of missing rather than a stream like the vulcan.
• also has substantially less ammo which matters massively.

@Flanker_Thunder

also when u were able of firing ur AIM-7M at the Su-27, it was already capable of firing his R-27ER which was way more probable of hitting u before ur Sparrow was even near of the Flanker,

no?
You stayed under the multipath blanket, and fired up at anyone stupid enough to be above it.
The SARH missiles for most nations where extremely neutered up until the multipath changes mate.

@Flanker_Thunder

of hitting u before ur Sparrow was even near of the Flanker, and/or the Flanker could fire an R-27ER to the F-15A, notch, and then recover the lock (which the F-15 can’t).

If you are BVRing against a Su27 with an F15A you need, and I mean need, to have a positional advantage and be able to fire whilst cranking before he has a chance to fire back.
No one is arguing the R27ER being worse than the AIM7M just that the AIM7M does not suck.

@Flanker_Thunder

ofc HMD doesn’t make the Su-27 any better against the highly superior F-15A! (sarcasm…).

An Pigeon:

it literally doesn’t make it better lol, the mig29 had HMD and was and still is worse than the F16A as it has a massive advantage in FM and performance.

@Flanker_Thunder

and AIM-7M wasn’t obsolete by the height of the multipathing back then too? did it have some kind of clutter filter to make it hit a target flying at 50m of the ground? i completely don’t understand ur poin

yes they were and that’s why your point of them being a bonus is completely irrelevant.

@Flanker_Thunder

did it have some kind of clutter filter to make it hit a target flying at 50m of the ground?

50m off the ground ? the old multipath was 100 last I checked giving substantially more room to navigate without worrying about R27s or Sparrows.

@Flanker_Thunder

(completely ignoring that both R-27ER and Aspide-1A are way faster and MORE maneuverable)

An Pigeon:

says the man who completely ignored me stating in the exact comment he replied to that both missles are faster-
Aspide is not more maneuverable than the sparrow wtf u on about.

@Flanker_Thunder

so now u’re bringing ARH to the discussion? weren’t we talking about old times and SARH missiles? also IOG is extremely useful compared to the poor AIM-7M which didn’t have

mate I never brought up ARH missiles.
you did

@Flanker_Thunder

good for u, i still keep a 1.1 air frags in the Su-27, but playing it is hard when u have R-77 and AIM-120 around 13.3.

An Pigeon:

It is hard purely due to the fact there are so many F16s and such with what is absolutely an advantage.

@Flanker_Thunder

i didn’t say it wasn’t fair at 13.0, i said if u knew how to play it at 13.0, it was very good (tho it still gets 13.7 uptiers even at it’s new BR 12.7).

then wtf are you arguing with me for I wanted it to be kept at 13.0 teh F15A has no right being the same BR as the Mig29 or yak 141 for examples.
Or the mirage as well which has literally 2 magic 2s and 2 530Ds

@Flanker_Thunder

i wasn’t talking about MiG-29, and i prefer having good missiles and bad radar to launch them at the perfect distance my radar can actually get a good hard-lock than having bad missiles and a good radar i can’t use cuz my missiles are so bad that launching them at the max distance my radar can hard-lock would be criminal.

I’d much rather the F15A with

• 4 x IRCCM missiles
• 4 x decent SARH missiles
• better FM
• better flight performance
• substantially more CMs
• as well as better fuel consumption.

@Flanker_Thunder

Su-27 fits better for 13.0/13.3, F-15A fits quite decently at 13.0 (especially if we keep in mind it’s a goddamn speed racer and has 240CM).

then why on earth are they moving it down to 12.7 is my point man

@__Renzo__

Britain

shhhhh don’t tell them it’s actually good

@BabySoEz

Went to 10.7 … BMPT everywhere …what’s goated?

what lol? 10.3 is sucked up itno the BMPT as well, they’re at 11.3 not 11.7

[BabySoEz]

@An Pigeon

what lol? 10.3 is sucked up itno the BMPT as well, they’re at 11.3 not 11.7

and what’s new? at least 10.3 still has a slight chance not to get up-tiered

[MŁODY_ツ]

@BabySoEz

and what’s new? at least 10.3 still has a slight chance not to get up-tiered

very, very, very slight chance, when there’s 200-300 ruskies matchmaking at 11.0-11.3 (BMPT and T72 Arena) and only a few players play 9.3-9.7

[BabySoEz]

That slight chance got me a nuke 2 days ago lol

[Flanker_Thunder]

@An Pigeon

here we go what? the F15A when it dropped was in the top 3 as best planes in the game.
Beaten out only by the gripen and the F16s Flight model wise.

when F-15A was dropped, Su-27 was dominating the skies.
the only F-15 that dominated for a certain period was the F-15E since AIM-120 was still useable and the thrust made it a perfect air superiority aircraft.

@An Pigeon

it had better instantanious turn because it literally bled all its speed with one turn.
the F15A had better rate, and sustained turns than the Su27 did.

i doubt if a plane that’s literally made to accelerate can out-turn a plane that’s literally made to turn

@An Pigeon

again, the large CMs on the SU27 are good, but not comparable to over 200 standard ones.
They have far less longevity per match.

depends how u spend them, a good toptier player will not spend 96CM per match.
however i admit having more countermesures is a nice advantage, but honestly the F-15 isn’t that maneuverable, especially at high speeds (which is the main thing the Eagle can do extremely well: reach high speeds).

@An Pigeon

If you are poppping more than once or twice with standard ones, you’re doing it wrong.

i would say twice, 4 chaff is usually more than enough for a missile launched at long range (except it’s a SARH one), but u will have to drop more if u’re near the target (especially at close range 10km/5km).

@An Pigeon

it being harder to aim as it has worse velocity

u start firing the instant u press the button, not like Vulcan which needs to rotate first for like 0.5secs before actually shooting.

@An Pigeon

fires less rounds which means more chances of missing rather than a stream like the vulcan.

except we start talking about Hornet, it’s a bit easier to aim with the Gsh-30-1 due to it being more near of the aircraft than the F-15’s Vulcan (which remains in a way more far position than the one in the Flankers).

@An Pigeon

also has substantially less ammo which matters massively.

trigger discipline, learnt since lower tiers.

@An Pigeon

You stayed under the multipath blanket

let’s take multipath out of the conversation, u’know? cuz if multipath is an excuse, then i can say i would just dive agressively to the ground and dodge the AIM-7M like nothing just like u’re saying R-27ER was trash back in time cuz “u were able of multipathing it”.

@An Pigeon

and fired up at anyone stupid enough to be above it.

MiGanFox-3 has teached me something: pitch up and drop chaff

@An Pigeon

The SARH missiles for most nations where extremely neutered up until the multipath changes mate.

Flanker_Thunder:

that doesn’t mean SARH missiles were bad, bozo.
the fact u could multipath a R-27ER didn’t mean it was a bad SARH missile, cuz even nowdays u can multipath a R-77-1 (the most OP Fox-3 till now) and that doesn’t mean it’s trash.

it’s like saying a M26 is bad cuz it can’t penetrate a Tiger II frontally. yeah it can’t, but that doesn’t mean it’s a trash vehicle just cuz it can’t counter one thing.

@An Pigeon

No one is arguing the R27ER being worse than the AIM7M just that the AIM7M does not suck.

it mostly sucks, AIM-7P resolved most problems of the Sparrows and sadly they’re limited to 2 aircraft which are the slowest ones in the game. i would die to make Gaijin add AIM-7P to F-15A even if it’s a naval-only version for way more modern aircrafts.

maybe it’s due to the BR, but i have played AIM-7M in the F-16D and F-15I and they suck at everything: they aren’t as fast, maneuverable, modern, useful as other SARH missiles.

@An Pigeon

it literally doesn’t make it better lol, the mig29 had HMD and was and still is worse than the F16A as it has a massive advantage in FM and performance.

it literally does make it better lol.
the new MiG-29 will be able of firing R-73 at 12.7, and if we talk about old performance: which one is more probable of surviving multipathing and launching missiles? MiG-29 cuz it can get a lock without pitching up to get a target and expose itself to any enemy while the F-16A needs to expose to be barely able of getting a lock and launching an AIM-7M.

let’s talk about Su-27 again: in a dogfight, the Su-27 wins cuz it has R-73 and HMD which the F-15A doesn’t, in BVR the Su-27 wins cuz it can get quick locks while turning which the F-15A can’t, the Su-27 can relock without moving it’s radar position or turning again to relock the enemy aircraft frontally like the F-15A.

also iirc the Su-27’s HMD has more range than the ACM of the F-15A (20km vs. 17/19km).

@An Pigeon

yes they were and that’s why your point of them being a bonus is completely irrelevant.

if we ignore multipath, R-27ER is way better even if the Su-27 has worse radar.
if we keep in mind multipath, then all missiles suck.

@An Pigeon

Aspide is not more maneuverable than the sparrow wtf u on about.

isn’t the Aspide-1A a Sparrow on steroids?

@An Pigeon

It is hard purely due to the fact there are so many F16s and such with what is absolutely an advantage.

nah, it’s cuz the bad bois of the Su-30MK2 AMV and F-15E.

@An Pigeon

then wtf are you arguing with me for I wanted it to be kept at 13.0 teh F15A has no right being the same BR as the Mig29 or yak 141 for examples.

i literally have the same opinion and told the same thing that it was fair at 13.0.
if it stays at 12.7 it will keep bullying 3rd gen aircraft with way worse capabilities, so i prefer it back in 13.0.

@An Pigeon

4 x IRCCM missiles

which can be barrel rolled.

@An Pigeon

4 x decent SARH missiles

meh not bad, but Fulcrum exchanges amount for quality.

@An Pigeon

better FM

just for accelerating

@An Pigeon

better flight performance

cuestionable.

@An Pigeon

substantially more CMs

not gonna doubt that.

@An Pigeon

as well as better fuel consumption.

how much each one?

@An Pigeon

then why on earth are they moving it down to 12.7 is my point man

idk, bozo, i’m not the fat snail who only cares about getting a way bigger mansion than Notch or Flappy Bird’s developer with all the money it is getting.

[Milashny_Koteyka]

Is it? Previous time they ought me to believe it wa .80-.90

[Caernarvon02]

Very poor