Exactly, thats why for the sake of gameplay some real world aspects are either tuned down massively or removed entirely. You also can treat every vehicle the same due to their massive differences in design and intended purpose especially with pixel hunting being around. Gaijin maybe doesnt do the job perfectly or to everyones liking but is that even possible to achieve?
I do not confuse my skill or lack thereof for anything in this game. I stopped playing this game for years and only returned a few months ago. I am an engineer and i do not jump to conclusions without personal experience. People said Russia was OP and biased, I was playing german then, so I went and started to level Russian to see myself. BMPT I do not like its play style or general weapon set but its is busted. Compare it at its BR to the Israeli one…The 11.3 with the 35mm I think. For one its gun is ass compared to the BMPT, its missile are meh at best and shit at worst ( hardly ever able to lock due to a leaf), no ammo box and if its hit even by shrapnel, the entire ammo detonates. No you dont die but now you have no ammunition to fire with so have to try and get to a control point if there even is one not to mention enemy only need to fan a fart towards it to blow it up. 2S38 also busted and much lower BR.
The low IQ is the fact I listed examples or reasoning behind why I believe X and your only rebuttal is to call Skill Issue or Git Gud crap. Same as the ole systemic racism answer when someone has no argument. Intellect would bring someone to look at each issue, both from pro and con point of view, assign causal factors to each and then rebuff the statement with facts based on those steps. Dismissing everyone’s complaint as a skill issue is exactly why this game is in the state its in…Players vouching for the million-dollar company as if they are gonna get a check…They dont care about you one bit, youre just free PR. There is plenty of evidence, far more then any other nation in the game, that Russia is biased. Just look at the actual real-world use of them. Devs always claim “realism” or X cant be put in due to no data yet Russian carsouls do not detonate when hit, no jack n the box when penetrated…yeah they biased them to make the equal to if not better then NATO tanks.
A tank being shot by 5 tanks at once and surviving is a skill issue. Not for every player involved, but at least one of those 5 players should have killed it (and the enemy tank also skill issued since you massively screwed up if you get into a position where 5 people shoot at you).
I have fought the T-series many times and all the MBTs are not that difficult to kill. Only the BMPT has stupid survivability, but even then it shouldn’t survive 5 people shooting it.
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issue with DU is that it looses pen over speed so its hard to calculate that factor unless we have an exact percentage, that’s why its just easier to round them to their extra 10 or 15% effective penetration over Tungsten
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Even if DU penetrators are introduced (I guess they are not?) they wont hold any advantage over the other ones as the other ones will get their respective penetrators that match the performance for the sake of balance
they are introduced, and in fact have been for a long time, M829A2 for example its one of them, they have artificially slightly inflated numbers to simulate the extra pen of DU aka reallistic penetration number considering material properties since it cant be simulated that reallistically into the formula, and there is another round that has the same properties but isnt DU
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Oh, I thoought the A3 was the DU one…my bad than. Also the introduction of new stronger shells would make life for Russian tanks quite hard since they dont have anything above 3BM60 for the 2A46- series of guns and iirc they said themselves that they are looking into different options of guns/designs (Armata) for the future tanks since the size of the turret and the design of the autoloader itself doesnt allow for a longer penetrator. Thats why it was designed as a 2-piece penetrator in the first place
3BM59 its an option, since its just 3BM60 made with DU, and sadly russia has reached their limit,either the new designed autoloader for the T-14 allows for a better 2 piece and we wait, or we just see them increase caliber but i doubt the later would happen due to cost
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also rather weirdly, the first round to use depleted uranium was the M774 and also regarding what i said the reason why M829A3 and A4 are really slow (around 1500 m/s) its because that’s their ideal speed
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For the current T-series tanks the increase in gun size wont happen. Armata in its original form back in the 80s and early 90s when it was proposed and a platform for tech testing was made the new gun was also put on the list because even than they considered the 125mm coming to its end. Thus the 2A83 gun was put on the testing platform, but ofc the USSR fell apart and that, same as all other projects were put on ice and brought back to life like 10-15ish years ago when the finances allowed for it again. Basically all the stuff we see Russia putting out are them basically finishing up on the older proposed designs. Nothing new came since that I know of. As for the 3BM59, I have only estimates of its performance and absolutely nothing on concrete info so hmm, could be an option I guess
I guess because of the DUs lower melting point and air friction affecting the penetrator at higher speeds?
its actually less complex than that, is just that DU its naturally less strong and even more brittle than Tungsten alloys so it begins to have premature fracture and fragmentation at speeds higher than 1600 m/s wich can affect between a 5 to a whooping 30% of penetration depending on how fast and how much it traveled
rather funny this controversy caused a wave of missinformation in 2009 wich painted DU as the ultimate killing machine and how its incenidary properties were deadly and stuff, the incendiary properties were overexagerated, it basically was a new years spark in terms of incendiary capacities, and even media cut out important parts during interviews such as the claim “At present, there is no tungsten alloy or other material that provides armor penetration performance as good as DU” but they did not include the next part wich he said “at standard velocities”, it is a great option since its cheap but reallistically talking Tungsten alloy its still better than DU per weight
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Well propaganda doing its work right there :D Quite familiar with such “bending” of reality.
But on the topic of the penetrator speed, I cant seem to wrap my head around why the speed other than air friction would degrade the projectile that hard since with every passing second the forces affecting on the projectile are getting weaker because the projectile itself loses speed with range? The biggest force that is put on the projectile is during firing, the sudden inertial kick/acceleration
Did a quick read…basically its due to the air friction on the penetrator tip which makes it lose its advantages due to the lower melting point compared to Tungsten
air resistance, take into account tank projectiles are traveling at absurdly high speeds, even tho they are designed to resist such speed that is not their main priority but penetrating enemy tanks, and mechanical stress on apfsds its much lower than on stuff like space rockets for example since its not their main priority, as per the inital kick, it would apply if it was a longer object or it was attached to something more heavy but since this isnt the case its just an arrow being launched at too much speed, objects can start quite literally desintegrating at certain speeds, some disassemble, some get ruptured and some other just start becoming dust due to the excessive force
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not melting point but mechanical strenght, its basically just projectile material dosent have a structure stable enough to withstand the strenght, its made to penetrate for the most part
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Mechanical strenght is compromised due to the heat build up in the rod from the air friction and it fails to keep its upsides up until it reaches the armor. Interesting, genuinely didnt know that but also I never really explored the topic of DU penetrators for some reason
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yeah basically, tungsten has higher thermal conductivity and stronger strain-rate sensitivity, wich means its gonna resist this changes in the surrounding factors like heat transfer and strain much better than DU, and these are more obvious at 1600 m/s or more for DU shells and this is also part of why the Adiabatic Shear Banding Behavior its different on DU and tungsten
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yo nice one, this actually perfectly explains the DU shells
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I’d like to understand why every time I see you commenting it’s about you complaining about the Su-30SM2. Are you really that bothered by it?