Idk what u are talking but over 7k hours in my perspective im gonna say USSR is favored. NATO MBTS have their “quirks” but none of them have 600+mm UFP nor the turret. yes abrams/a7/strv122b+ or ZTZ.
But other nation all so called top tier shells penetrate the turret frontally because? let’s say gajoobin is lazy to model in correct armor values.
so if i wanna press W to win i play russia because the cas and the UFP&RNG because the funny sideskirt era absorbs the dart like the terminator but that is overall abomination in every way.
ALSO as in edit OPLOT should have the same armor value in ERA like the t-80’s or better but guess what? nothing can be better than ussr…
2 things don’t make a tree OP, and necrons main point was that prototypes/not in service tanks exist in all trees, many with more questionable capabilities than Russian tanks/planes.
Yes - they do make the tree OP if they are make believe weapons and platforms outsizing their actual performance to the degree they do.
Multiple arguments were made as such towards the Puma when it was OP. Same argument applies to Russian mains trying to defend their princess bride and lord of the rings esque fantasy weapons. Especially considering how much they drag down top tier play.
No - there are not more questionable abilities in the NATO tree. BMPT literally eviscerates this argument by itself before you even consider the KH-38MT.
Also - there are multiple NATO weapon systems that were theoretical only in nature that can completely shit on the entire RU tree. Should these be implemented like the ones I mentioned? Absolutely not.
Should NATO be given the Star wars system/laser anti missile weapons to completely disintegrate RU’s ability to use ATA and ATG missiles?
But here we are - arguing the reasonability of make believe/dei program weapons for the Russians doing the exact same thing you are accusing NATO of.
2 things in a tree make 2 things OP. For example, the F-15A and F/A-18A being undertiered don’t make the US air tree OP, or the Turm III/Gepard. 2 tanks and a handful of aircraft in GRB don’t make an entire TT OP, and if they did, the American TT would be by far the most OP.
No, because they don’t exist. The KH-38MT could theoretically exist, but we don’t know if the seeker actually does at the moment. I’d lean towards not adding it in the first place purely for balance concerns, but we are beyond that.
KH-38MT doesn’t exist on paper, doesn’t exist in prototype and doesn’t exist in production. It is a pure Russian copium weapon based on delusions.
It is the same class of weapons i listed - it doesn’t fucking exist. Stop trying to cope by being blatantly pro Russian. We know it doesn’t exist - its just Gaijin trying to do their usual pro russian bullshit.
If the F-15 and F-18 are as OP as you indicated - then they need to be brought in as such. BMPT and KH-38MT are make believe weapons that are OP as shit - NATO should be getting OP as shit weapons in return.
If this means all the Russian main cry babies have to deal with OP NATO aircraft - then so be it. That’s quite literally reality for them. After all - everytime the items I indicated are brought up its usually referenced as a skill issue right? So Russian mains should ‘get good’.
NATO dominance over Russia has been built on airpower. US and every other NATO nation should be given dominance in the skies if Russia is going to be given dominance on the ground because Gaijin can’t balance correctly due to their politics. That’s the balance they have instituted with the BMPT and other fantastical systems they refuse to hold accountable. Only fair for NATO to be given the same treatment - correct?
Turm 3 and Gepard don’t have make believe ERA amounts attached to them - they can be outplayed and killed. BMPT isn’t the same case.
so…resuming all this “bible”… u basically want NATO to be dominant in everything and make Russia the most useless nation ingame so it sucks just like IRL and it’s peace and harmony as u imagine it in ur freedom and cheeseburgers wonderland???
yeah…sure.
make WT unplayable by making any nation that isn’t related to comunism the best at everything while the poor players that have grinded that nation for years now need to see how their “biased nation” is now useless and it’s just dead-weight in a match.
Kh-38MT is OP, but it’s not the only AGM ingame and even if it’s the best one, that doesn’t mean any other one is BS.
T-90M/T-80BVM are trolly but ez to kill in any situation, and they have way worse and more lethal weakspots than any other NATO tank.
Su-30SM2 is only good if u’re stupid, cuz it’s still a russian plane which bleeds a lot of energy, has low amount of countermesures and has a very primitive RWR compared to any other plane (EF-2000/Rafale/J-10C), and the only good thing it has is a radar with the widest scanning areas ingame, “good thrust” and 12/10 Fox-3s, which is lower/same than F-15C GE and F/A-18E.
Mi-28NM…the main problem for any player, if we can call it a problem. LMUR is OP, im not gonna deny it: it has lofting, it has HE warhead, it has amazing range, it has amazing anti-tank capabilities, it can carry an “UNHISTORICAL” amount of them (8 instead of 4). the LDIRCM is a problem, but it’s not invencible: any aircraft with a gun and some balls can try to gunkill it (since probably all Mi-28NM players will carry 8 LMURS and not a single 9M39 Igla) and u just need to BnZ it from above so it has 0 possibilities of dodging ur attack (i guess?), however i will admit it needs a nerf, but i see it as a fair helicopter since the SPAA spam + good missiles is so much i feel it’s a “counter-attack vehicle” to counterrest the exagerately good SPAAs we have ingame now, and it balances the problem of using CAS against the new modern IRIS-T/BUK-M3/NASAMS/SAMPT/etc.
Like they are currently doing for RU - with introducing wonder weapons like the BMPT and Kh-38MT.
While you and others are defending that - basically saying ‘Well yeah, they don’t really exist like that - but its fair’.
If one side gets weapons/platforms that are unrealistic - then the other side needs them as well.
If Russia is going to continually get this kind of treatment - then yes, like reality - NATO should crush them with its air assets. If balance isn’t going to be maintained for the sake of pro-russian sympathies - then NATO needs it unbalanced weapons and doctrines as well.
No - I stated that if Russia is going to get its bullshit weapons on the ground that it never produced or executed on than NATO air power should be reflected as it is in reality. Completely obliterating all Russian opposition.
That’s quite literally the logic you are trying to argue for them on the ground side.
You don’t get it both ways - either both sides get unbalanced weapons that ruin the game flow, or neither do.
so yes, basically making them dominant in everything so Russia becomes the only useless nation instead of Russia being the only good nation and every each other being the useless ones.
imma tell u something: i own Leopard 2A4M and T-72B3 “Arena”. both are my only toptier tanks rn for both Russia and Germany, and i honestly prefer the 2A4M over any other tank ingame.
i also haven’t died against LMURs and Kh-38MTs that often, something that doesn’t fit with ur opinion of “Mi-28NM and Su-30SM2 everywhere!”, and when i played T-72B3 “Arena” the first time, it was plagued with other T-72B3 “Arena” from the ENEMY TEAM, cuz the amount of people playing with it was so much that the matchmaker needed to join soviet tanks in both teams so the matchmaking time was shorter, and it was honestly skill-based cuz russian tanks are NOT OP.
i would honestly prefer any NATO tank over the russian ones, i would prefer to fly EF-2000 with SPICE 250 or Rafale C F3 with MICA-EMs than Su-30SM2 with 5 Kh-38MT (if u use the T550 pod) or a 3t glide bomb in a fat plane, i would prefer to fly Eurotiger with PARS 3 LR, cool electro-optic station position and maneuverability than Mi-28NM with the same amount of missiles and LDIRCM which only works if u get near the battlefield.
The KH-38MT is OP because of how they implemented it, the thing doesn’t exist to begin with and if it did it wouldn’t have been able to target ground targets like tanks it would be a bit more akin to the ASM-2 (Which has so many issues in its model despite being something that if they fixed would be a pretty good cas weapon)
The T90M and BVM are yes exceptionally trolly and along with the small weak spots actually reliable weak spots created by this trolly armor do very well in a lot of maps where they are often just being put face to face against other tanks with little flanking allowed, so basically unless its a leopard you have the advantage. So I guess its more the maps and current meta that favors them as they can suffer on longer ranged maps.
The SU30SM2 is easily tied for top jet in the game against the Rafale. The only Reason the Rafale is top tier is because of how insane MICAs are. The SU30SM2 radar allows it to maintain hard locks while in the notch against all other missiles making it pretty much the best jousting plane in the game, and with a high missile count and great thrust it can dictate the battlefield extremely well, and in ground RB it has the best air cas in game on it while retaining a decent sized ATA loadout.
The MI-28NM is just broken like every other LDIRCM heli in the game, but is taken a step further by the lmur being the only properly lofting ATGM in the game and getting overpressure (which all this missiles should at this point heat or not they have enough explosive mass in them to rip things into small pieces)
Everybody has OP stuff but to try and argue this stuff isnt all that good is strange because it is, and it reflects in game.
make a bug report or smth, or ask for Gaijin to remove the +4 LMURs of the Mi-28NM.
if they are THAT good then there’s no need of carrying 8 cuz u can still do good with 4, and i agree with it getting nerfed.
The SU-34 does not have a better ground loadout the only difference is you swap the 3k bomb for 1.5k bomb, but unlike the SU-34 you can still retain a full CAP loadout with this of better missiles.
Multiple reports have been made for the Lofting on the ATGM’s gajin has had very few responses to this In the case of spikes and pars they accepted it like two years ago the hellfire’s even further back than that then they never actually touch it, just keep saying “we are working on it”. In the new american missile they either deny it for not enough information or they say that it is working, or my favorite when you provide them with the evidence they say “data mining is not allowed”.
Fr, NATO tanks deserved their turret basket, they were too good without it while russian tanks had the most comparable thing to a turret basket but…WAY more lethal.
