2s38 gets killed by anything and everything.
Neither did the Ho 229 v3 and Sea Meteor as far as I remember, but those aren’t Russian planes so obviously it doesn’t count /s
M1A2 SEP v2 now mounts a LWR system despite only a ‘‘mock-up’’ getting it IRL.
Challenger 2 has it’s researchable Dorchester 2E module.
M1A2 SEP v2 now has it’s TUSK module be researchable.
Leopard 2A4M CAN has several external armour modules that are researchable.
XM8 has a researchable eternal armour module.
M1A2 SEP has it’s researchable TUSK.
M1128’s slat armour is a researchable module.
etc.
Also, it’s not always a positive thing, especially in the case of the T-72B3 because it’s got a 290 horsepower engine increase locked behind that researchable module.
T-72B '87 > T-72B '89 is practically the same tank, who’s only difference is Kontakt-5. But that doesn’t even matter because the areas covered by Kontakt-5 were already strong on the '87 version.
Imagine complaining about that paper maché box in 2026.
Here we go again:
LOSAT
Chieftain 900
Leopard 2AV
M60 AMBT
XM8
Leopard 2 PSO
PT-16/T14
Begleitpanzer 57
Leopard 2K
M10 Booker
M60 120S
Raketenautomat
XM975
ADATS
DF 105
FV4202
HSTV-L
Maus
Vickers Mk7
FV4030/3
Spz 12-3
Black Night
Challenger 3TD
Waffentrager
Ru 251
Challenger 2E
CLOVIS
Leopard L/44
Class 3 (P)
VT1-2
RDF/LT
AGS
M6A2E1
T32
XP-55
Xp-50
XM800T
T32E1
Panther II
MBT-70
XM803
EFV
XM-1 GM
XM-1 C
T54E1
T43E2
T58
E-100
BF 109 Z-1
Coelian
Radkampfwagen 90
M247
XM246
T95E1
T95
T28
Panther F
Ho 229 V3
Tiger II SLA
Tiger II 105
Ostwind II
R2Y2
Chi-To Late
F-16AJ
T29
T34
T30
J6K1
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Maybe should include XF5U-1 never had any armament or ever flew.
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There was a small Low Rate production run of 12 Humvee Carriers & 435 missiles were produced.
Sure Gaijin gave us the LOSAT-AGS configuration, but It’s not like much world change if corrected, it’d still be an underperforming pile of shit due to the missiles having underwhelming acceleration and poor performance due to their implementation.
Literally 96 of them (in total) are on order or to be produced, even with the program’s cancelation. It is Type Classified and is in service with Airborne Battalions.
Been over this before;
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“Loading condition | 2- 1000# external”
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Play low br as Russia you win but play top tier br Russia you suffer in ground not as CAS
russian tanks are already balanced and by the way, more than they should.
The armour and small weak spots compensate the lack of gun handling in the early models, but still the same armour layout in the late models while having same gun handling as wester counterparts…
The way they eat shots and are capable of surviving a penetration shot right in the ammo is beyond fantasy
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BMPT is ruining an entire tier with its fantasy pro russian delusions - it is relevant. Good attempt at deflecting my point though - as a Russian player would.
Its performance in game is totally detached from combat performance in real life - this is a massive issue, period. Just because you want to gloss over that for the sake of your argument doesn’t make it not reality.
As for the Kh38mt - it is relevant in this dicussion. It is a highly effective weapon system at higher tiers that is completely fabricated - which goes to my point regarding the Russian tree.
Outside of the notable T-34/T-44/T-54/T-72/T-80 examples - all fun and realistic tanks - you get similar situations to the KH38-MT. Fabricated designs, fake equipment and made up stats.
Kh-38MT and BMPT are indicative of the wider Russian tree as a whole and how its viewed/treated by Gaijin.
The majority of the premium side alone on the RU tree is either prototype or never made it to production. Frankly - this would be fine because I understand the need for balance to maintain health. Russians deserve some love too occasionally.
But when this becomes clearly favorited by Gaijin vs its NATO counterparts - as evidenced in the BMPT and other weapon systems - then there’s a problem.
Let’s discuss the fact that turret baskets needed to be nerfed on the Abrams/Leo types because Russian types needed another edge because they can’t balance that module correctly.
I mean I could go on for days and days about how Gaijin has routinely displayed favoritism - blatant favoritism - towards the RU tree.
I’ve also seen much IRL data that contradicts the performance of Russian ERA as its currently executed in game - yet here we are. One russian tank ruining high tiers because Gaijins founders need WT to be a DEI program for Russian egos.
Also - most tanks you listed in your previous argument are actually counterable and requires skill to some extent to be good with for the most part. BMPT does not.
BMPT is quite likely the most overpowered tank I’ve ever seen in WT or WoT and the most detached from actual performance IRL.
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Everything you listed actually requires some modicum of skill to play and was likely based on some realistic design/spec.
KH-38MT and BMPT are neither of these and both are significantly more impactful than pretty much everything you listed.
Cope more with the Russian bias by trying to pander whataboutism.
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so far. get good. and stop beeing a dogshit with USSR MBTS because they are W holding tanks. best UFP and RNG tanks in this game.
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Just like almost every single other tank in the entire game, including Russian ones. They are only considered decent by people who genuinely can’t aim. That also isn’t even what he was talking about in the first place with that vehicle list.
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Yes, it was.
It was him trying to run away from criticism of the Russian tree, Kh-38mt, and BMPT by trying to paint the NATO tree’s as similar.
They are not given the severity of gaijin’s favoritism we’ve seen over the past decade plus.
This is not a NATO should be better than RU opinion - its a opinion on the fact that there should be balance centering around actually realistic mechanics, designs and modules which the RU tree clearly lacks at multiple points. I really like playing the T72 and T80 variants - these are objectively great tanks and real. They are overshadowed by the princess bride level fantasy bullshit gaijin constantly tries to inject for the sake of its own personal geopolitics.
No - the BMPT does not take skill to play. No - the 38KHmt does not take skill to use. These items far eclipse anything he listed as a defense.
Are you seriously trying to stand there and tell me the T34 and others of a similar nature are even CLOSE to the battle effectiveness we see from these items?
Play more, post less.
Idk what u are talking but over 7k hours in my perspective im gonna say USSR is favored. NATO MBTS have their “quirks” but none of them have 600+mm UFP nor the turret. yes abrams/a7/strv122b+ or ZTZ.
But other nation all so called top tier shells penetrate the turret frontally because? let’s say gajoobin is lazy to model in correct armor values.
so if i wanna press W to win i play russia because the cas and the UFP&RNG because the funny sideskirt era absorbs the dart like the terminator but that is overall abomination in every way.
ALSO as in edit OPLOT should have the same armor value in ERA like the t-80’s or better but guess what? nothing can be better than ussr…
The T-80s are decent-good and most 10.0+ T-72s and T-90s hover between mediocre-mid.
You can name any BR that has a T-72/90 in it and said T-72/90 would be my least favourite MBT at that BR.
However I wouldn’t say they need buffs.
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No, and no one ever said that.
2 things don’t make a tree OP, and necrons main point was that prototypes/not in service tanks exist in all trees, many with more questionable capabilities than Russian tanks/planes.
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Yes - he did infact try to point to that.
That was said despite your attempts at copium.
Yes - they do make the tree OP if they are make believe weapons and platforms outsizing their actual performance to the degree they do.
Multiple arguments were made as such towards the Puma when it was OP. Same argument applies to Russian mains trying to defend their princess bride and lord of the rings esque fantasy weapons. Especially considering how much they drag down top tier play.
No - there are not more questionable abilities in the NATO tree. BMPT literally eviscerates this argument by itself before you even consider the KH-38MT.
Also - there are multiple NATO weapon systems that were theoretical only in nature that can completely shit on the entire RU tree. Should these be implemented like the ones I mentioned? Absolutely not.
Should NATO be given the Star wars system/laser anti missile weapons to completely disintegrate RU’s ability to use ATA and ATG missiles?
But here we are - arguing the reasonability of make believe/dei program weapons for the Russians doing the exact same thing you are accusing NATO of.
DEI?
2 things in a tree make 2 things OP. For example, the F-15A and F/A-18A being undertiered don’t make the US air tree OP, or the Turm III/Gepard. 2 tanks and a handful of aircraft in GRB don’t make an entire TT OP, and if they did, the American TT would be by far the most OP.
No, because they don’t exist. The KH-38MT could theoretically exist, but we don’t know if the seeker actually does at the moment. I’d lean towards not adding it in the first place purely for balance concerns, but we are beyond that.
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KH-38MT doesn’t exist on paper, doesn’t exist in prototype and doesn’t exist in production. It is a pure Russian copium weapon based on delusions.
It is the same class of weapons i listed - it doesn’t fucking exist. Stop trying to cope by being blatantly pro Russian. We know it doesn’t exist - its just Gaijin trying to do their usual pro russian bullshit.
If the F-15 and F-18 are as OP as you indicated - then they need to be brought in as such. BMPT and KH-38MT are make believe weapons that are OP as shit - NATO should be getting OP as shit weapons in return.
If this means all the Russian main cry babies have to deal with OP NATO aircraft - then so be it. That’s quite literally reality for them. After all - everytime the items I indicated are brought up its usually referenced as a skill issue right? So Russian mains should ‘get good’.
NATO dominance over Russia has been built on airpower. US and every other NATO nation should be given dominance in the skies if Russia is going to be given dominance on the ground because Gaijin can’t balance correctly due to their politics. That’s the balance they have instituted with the BMPT and other fantastical systems they refuse to hold accountable. Only fair for NATO to be given the same treatment - correct?
Turm 3 and Gepard don’t have make believe ERA amounts attached to them - they can be outplayed and killed. BMPT isn’t the same case.
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so…resuming all this “bible”… u basically want NATO to be dominant in everything and make Russia the most useless nation ingame so it sucks just like IRL and it’s peace and harmony as u imagine it in ur freedom and cheeseburgers wonderland???
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yeah…sure.
make WT unplayable by making any nation that isn’t related to comunism the best at everything while the poor players that have grinded that nation for years now need to see how their “biased nation” is now useless and it’s just dead-weight in a match.
Kh-38MT is OP, but it’s not the only AGM ingame and even if it’s the best one, that doesn’t mean any other one is BS.
T-90M/T-80BVM are trolly but ez to kill in any situation, and they have way worse and more lethal weakspots than any other NATO tank.
Su-30SM2 is only good if u’re stupid, cuz it’s still a russian plane which bleeds a lot of energy, has low amount of countermesures and has a very primitive RWR compared to any other plane (EF-2000/Rafale/J-10C), and the only good thing it has is a radar with the widest scanning areas ingame, “good thrust” and 12/10 Fox-3s, which is lower/same than F-15C GE and F/A-18E.
Mi-28NM…the main problem for any player, if we can call it a problem. LMUR is OP, im not gonna deny it: it has lofting, it has HE warhead, it has amazing range, it has amazing anti-tank capabilities, it can carry an “UNHISTORICAL” amount of them (8 instead of 4). the LDIRCM is a problem, but it’s not invencible: any aircraft with a gun and some balls can try to gunkill it (since probably all Mi-28NM players will carry 8 LMURS and not a single 9M39 Igla) and u just need to BnZ it from above so it has 0 possibilities of dodging ur attack (i guess?), however i will admit it needs a nerf, but i see it as a fair helicopter since the SPAA spam + good missiles is so much i feel it’s a “counter-attack vehicle” to counterrest the exagerately good SPAAs we have ingame now, and it balances the problem of using CAS against the new modern IRIS-T/BUK-M3/NASAMS/SAMPT/etc.
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