Russian top tier tanks need a fair buff

Oh I see. “If i think it - it’s a fact” type of person. Very convinient huh.

I mean it does work for them and it is indeed, a fact. If it’s to hard for you maybe it’s a YOU problem, don’t you think?

But it is literally a fact. They have less than Western tanks by design. Western tanks are opportunistic tanks and they let you do a lot around the map. Russian tanks don’t have that.

So if you’re incapable of using ALL these NUMEROUS tools Western tanks give you, then frankly it’s your skill issue?

Have you taken game design into account? The game design dictates “W for win if your armor is trolly enough” - and that’s only the case for ru tanks. Not even chinese can do that.

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The timing isn’t the issue, the angle is. Driver port isn’t always the weak spot to go if the enemy is too angled.

Not necessarily.
Sometimes they just try their luck and just push, if the one doing the ambush fails his shot, you then have all the time in the world.

Trying your luck around a corner like that shouldn’t even be a thing tbh, at least not against a peer MBT

I mean they have the best cas for both jet and heli, why would they also be buffed to the point they have some of the best tanks

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Who asked for them to be buffed to have “some of the best tanks”?

They need a minor and fair buff to let them compete a little bit, and the only sensible thing is giving AZ loaders 0.3 seconds less in reload time.

Everything else would be too unrealistic and too much.

If you buff them better than they are now, you start to run out of reasons to play any other nation. USSR again, already has the best CAS for both jets+helis. Western tanks also lose the reload advantage entirely and end up just being more mobile/gun depression being their advantages. Which wouldn’t be a very good tradeoff

It’s hilarious because most of the games I lose it’s to the enemy team full rushing my team and destroying them with W holding. Sometimes happens the otherway around, but not a lot.

Armor being trolly just tells me “SKILL ISSUEEEEE” on your part because you shouldn’t be struggling to kill ANY tank at 12.0+

If you buff them better than they are now, you start to run out of reasons to play any other nation

Not true at all.

Fortunately the Challenger 2s are not 12.3/12.7 unlike most on that list…

Even if T-72B3A is supposedly F-tier, In my opinion it’s better than most people think it is.

Same goes to the T-72B3/3M

Really depends on the context / situation.
In most cases, though, a competent Abrams player would have an easier time navigating around flanks and killing you than a T-90M could ever dream of.

Purely relying on armour / survivability to stay alive and get kills instead of mobility and hard cover generally is not a winning strategy.

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Do you really think it’ll take 3 years? We’re already almost at the top of russian ground. What else is there to add? „T90 but with reverse speed“? Against 2A8, SEP V3, KF51 and proper Challenger 3? Gaijin will absolutely add the T14 earlier, because otherwise russia is giga cooked.

IMO problem with this approach is that there are not so many competent Abrams players. What is USA now at top tier, sub 45% wr?

Actually 42.9%

It’s why I perform much better with the 2S25M at 12.7.

Hence why the 12.0 Abrams are so low – the average Clickbait player is mediocre purely because of the amount of games the Abrams get played:

Abrams is also quite a high skill ceiling, high skill floor vehicle, unlike the T-80s (which are typically low skill ceiling, low skill floor), so you can expect NATO MBTs to not do as well as they should for any nation.

If you compare it to the M1A2T (found in the Chinese tech tree), it’s doing a lot better for what effectively is a Clickbait with Gen 2 thermals at a 0.7 higher BR.

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p sure the Abrams is the top tier Tiger, just swap wwii documentaries for 73 easting

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I mean sure, though again, it depends on the context.
T-90M can definitely be annoying to deal with if it somehow manages to get into a hull-down position.

I don’t think the Sep V3 is as good as the T-14 Armata ON PAPER. Supposedly the Afghanit APS can stop projectiles going at like 1700m/s

The M1E3 is like a better Armata on paper and it should get added alongside the Armata.

Eitherway, both tanks and tanks alike them don’t have enough info. Besides, if the T-14 Armata gets added, the T-15 will also probably get added

Gaijin should add the T-90M Arena-M with its reverse speed, and might I add any newer models of the T-80BVM and T-90M use full side coverage with ERA, inside metal boxes rather than bags. It’s a whole lot more armor ON TOP OF having reverse gears lol. If they were added to 12.7 they’d be unstoppable. So they’d probably be a 13.0 thing.

I think it’s 11.7 material. It’s nothing crazy especially when the T-72B3 is at 11.3 and the T-72B3 “Arena” is at 11.0.
That would make it being F tier make more sense considering the Chally 2s are also 11.7 (though they’re really good 11.7s at the moment).