Fortunately the Challenger 2s are not 12.3/12.7 unlike most on that list…
Even if T-72B3A is supposedly F-tier, In my opinion it’s better than most people think it is.
Same goes to the T-72B3/3M
Really depends on the context / situation.
In most cases, though, a competent Abrams player would have an easier time navigating around flanks and killing you than a T-90M could ever dream of.
Purely relying on armour / survivability to stay alive and get kills instead of mobility and hard cover generally is not a winning strategy.
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Do you really think it’ll take 3 years? We’re already almost at the top of russian ground. What else is there to add? „T90 but with reverse speed“? Against 2A8, SEP V3, KF51 and proper Challenger 3? Gaijin will absolutely add the T14 earlier, because otherwise russia is giga cooked.
IMO problem with this approach is that there are not so many competent Abrams players. What is USA now at top tier, sub 45% wr?
Actually 42.9%
It’s why I perform much better with the 2S25M at 12.7.
Hence why the 12.0 Abrams are so low – the average Clickbait player is mediocre purely because of the amount of games the Abrams get played:
Abrams is also quite a high skill ceiling, high skill floor vehicle, unlike the T-80s (which are typically low skill ceiling, low skill floor), so you can expect NATO MBTs to not do as well as they should for any nation.
If you compare it to the M1A2T (found in the Chinese tech tree), it’s doing a lot better for what effectively is a Clickbait with Gen 2 thermals at a 0.7 higher BR.
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p sure the Abrams is the top tier Tiger, just swap wwii documentaries for 73 easting
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I mean sure, though again, it depends on the context.
T-90M can definitely be annoying to deal with if it somehow manages to get into a hull-down position.
I don’t think the Sep V3 is as good as the T-14 Armata ON PAPER. Supposedly the Afghanit APS can stop projectiles going at like 1700m/s
The M1E3 is like a better Armata on paper and it should get added alongside the Armata.
Eitherway, both tanks and tanks alike them don’t have enough info. Besides, if the T-14 Armata gets added, the T-15 will also probably get added
Gaijin should add the T-90M Arena-M with its reverse speed, and might I add any newer models of the T-80BVM and T-90M use full side coverage with ERA, inside metal boxes rather than bags. It’s a whole lot more armor ON TOP OF having reverse gears lol. If they were added to 12.7 they’d be unstoppable. So they’d probably be a 13.0 thing.
I think it’s 11.7 material. It’s nothing crazy especially when the T-72B3 is at 11.3 and the T-72B3 “Arena” is at 11.0.
That would make it being F tier make more sense considering the Chally 2s are also 11.7 (though they’re really good 11.7s at the moment).
I didn’t say it’s a bad tank, it’s actually my best performing one. I say that there are not so many good Abrams players around and your data proves it. The chinese Abrams is the only one with positive WR atm, does it say that statistically it is better than the others? It just says that good players utilize it better than the others and this applies to every tank in the game.
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The T-72B3M is too strong for 11.3. The T-90A is literally NOTHING compared to it yet that sits at 11.0.
I don’t know why they moved it down from 11.7 after the decompression
You are insane. T90s has broken 3d model which is hard to kill. All T series tank has 6 second reload. Russians are op. Unlesss you play againts skilled players since there is masive weak point at bottom of tank.
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More than enough with that broken model like BMPT…
It has a lot of drawbacks that other 11.3s don’t have.
The acceleration is decent but the top speed and especially the reverse speed is lacking.
The gun depression is pretty bad.
The reload is pretty bad compared to the 5s reload of the IPM1 and the 6s reload of the Merkava Mk.3.
The only good thing about it is the armour, though like I said previously:
You can definitely make it work, and I think any lower and it may be too good, but it’s definitely not OP.
Well the T-90A is 0.3 BR lower than it and gets the better turret armour at the cost of acceleration and side RELIKT ERA. I think that’s a reasonable trade-off.
Also the T-90M could go to 12.3 and if that isn’t enough, I wouldn’t see a problem with it going to 12.0… though I would really like if top tier got decompressed even more (at least to 13.0) so that such tanks don’t have to face 11.0s and 11.3s.
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The effectiveness of an MBT shouldn’t be measured by it taking a hit or two before dying, it should be measured by the effect it has on the opposing team.
Just sitting somewhere taking hits is barely relevant to the outcome of a battle, in contrast, reaching powerpositions quickly, dominating sight lines, scoring multiple kills and securing caps is FAR more useful.
This is what I mean when I say: ‘inexperienced players can be easily identified by them overrating the importance of armour’.
Happens to all tanks:
Only because the BMPT is broken.
Not because the T-80BVM, T-90M, T-72B3A, etc. etc. are better than their opposition.
Uhhh…
Should I be worried?
Is there medication involved?
I try to keep myself to ranking stuff which I have some experience with, that’s why there’s a bunch missing and why there’s BR gaps.
There’s a few in there that I don’t own so that’s why I’m also fully open to people pointing out if/why they disagree with the ranking.
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Yeah basically.
I personally think the T-72B3M is 2x better than the T-90A.
The T-90A might be able to go to 10.7 tbf.
The T-72B3M is just much snappier, faster, and has overall better hull armor. The difference between it and the T-90A shouldn’t be 0.3 of a BR, that’s all lol.