Russian top tier tanks need a fair buff

[FV4005-Enjoyer]

Honestly, having logged back into the game and run some simulated shots, your probably right.
The T-72B3A should probably be around 11.7, where its still heavily armoured compared to its would be peers, but not to much so.

I stand by the fact that the T90M is one of the stronger MBTs at top teir, having watched my brother play it for a decent amount of time, and see him survive situations he definetely wouldnt have in any other mbt. am also not going to pretend its my alt account anymore, its his account and I have watched him play it, so those stats are his not mine. But having played the russian copy pastes, and reaching top teir in multiple nations, I can defenitely promise you, the T90 is a much more challenging opponent to face than say, an abrams, when you are playing something like the al-khalid or the challenger 2.

I also stand by that Kontact 5 should have a seperate classification to light era vs heavy era, as there are long rod penetrators designed to specifically counter certain types of ERA, and the game engine doesnt account for that.

Volumetric definetely, at least to me, seems to be a problem the most on russian tanks, and I have (Probably had, as medal needed space to clear) numerous clips somewhere on my pc of me shooting the breech and it doing absoloutely nothing even though a post match simulation goes straight through.

And lastly, top teir russia is still the most oppressive nation to play against. When a nation is blatantly overpowered, most people flock to play it. In the state russia is in now, I have genuinely seen games where its russia vs everyone else (bar like, 1 ariette player) or straight up evern russia vs russia and 1 more nation.

Then he moves, and it’s there! Coincidence? I think not! I don’t know how he did it, BUT I KNOW IT WAS HIM!!

[UNN_Daedalos]

@IHаteCAS

Also yes, reverse speed will save you a ton. See your team crumbling? Just reverse out of there at 30-40 km/h to a more defensive position that will prevent you getting completely overwhelmed.

If you see your team crumbling you can also, you know, anticipate, turn 180° and run away to a safer location.

@IHаteCAS

And yet it will still get overmatched, and is not often angled upwards due to Russian tanks inherently struggling to go hull down, so its often just cover that hides their hull like monument on Normandy for example, albeit T-72s/90s straight up cant play there.

The upper part of normandy is flatter, the lower part is a town where t-series tank excel

If at any point you find yourself forced in a hulldown on Normandy of all maps, you are doing something wrong

@IHаteCAS

Go see my mobility chart I sent a few messages back. Also disregarded the reload/depression points.

T-72B3 accelerates similar to 2A7V, 90m is a tad slower

T-80BVM has a similar acceleration to a Leclerc (which is wrong on so many levels, maybe someone has that old IRL vs in game acceleration chart laying around)

As for reload, yes, they have one weak point, I guess you could ask them to make a neck autoloader idk, you have amongs the best armor, ok mobility, and you would want the best reload to go along with it maybe ?

@IHаteCAS

No, it isn’t. Good reload, mobility, and gun handling is meta on city maps.

Good mobility and reload isn’t exactly what carries your game when you brainlessly run around a corner

[mrshufflin]

Take a hike, chancer.

- YouTube

Spoiler

If you are struggling in a braindead rush type of a tank, no buff will change their performance for you. Compare the weakspot real estate between all top tiers and try to produce a conclusion.

EDIT: Fixed the video

[БЕИ]

@FV4005-Enjoyer

holding W like I can do in russia.

But I just checked, all of them have negative KD bro and some go as low as 0.5, obviously it doesn’t work.

[_Renzo]

@UNN_Daedalos

truth be told, if you really know what you are doing, reverse speed does not come into play that often, and if it does, it means you usually screwed up seconds ago

“truth be told, if you really know what you are doing, enemy armor does not come into play that often, and if it does, it means you usually screwed up seconds ago”

I can take the same text and swap out reverse speed for enemy armor (or armor in general even) and the sentence still works just as well.

I would much rather be in an Abrams or Leclerc than in any T-72/90 in close range fights or brawls.

@UNN_Daedalos

Good mobility and reload isn’t exactly what carries your game when you brainlessly run around a corner

If a T-series brainlessly runs around a corner and gets away with it that is a skill issue on the enemy.

[UNN_Daedalos]

@__Renzo__

If a T-series brainlessly runs around a corner and gets away with it that is a skill issue on the enemy.

Let me ask it this way :

Is it more difficult to look around before going out in the wild, or adjusting a 1s snapshot on a moving driver port ?
Not to mention NATO tanks also have to look around before moving out, it’s not only a thing for t-tanks. It’s just that if they are in trouble, they MAY be able to get out IF their engine isn’t out on the first shot, IF their driver isn’t knocked out, or IF they did not get one shot.

Situational, much ?

[_Renzo]

@UNN_Daedalos

Is it more difficult to look around before going out in the wild, or adjusting a 1s snapshot on a moving driver port ?
Not to mention NATO tanks also have to look around before moving out, it’s not only a thing for t-tanks.

You have audio and a T-series rounding a corner at full speed (not like the T-72 and T-90 are that fast) isn’t exactly quiet. This gives you enough time to do some basic crosshair placement.

And in the case of the T-72/T-90 you might even be able to get a crippling shot off before they can shoot you due to their meh speed/mobility.

So yeah if you get suprised by a T-series rounding a corner full speed it is a player issue.

[CollectorOfSins]

You guys should see how they treated the “russian” design oplot-t in japan tt. of course its one of the worst mbt in top tier while t90m gets all the best era

[UNN_Daedalos]

if you think pre aiming a driver port on a tank you don’t know the speed or the approach angle is easier than checking your surroundings, i’m afraid we can’t agree on the most basic things…

[Killer_Queen602]

It’s a 13.7 tank anyway though lol? The thing won’t get added in the next 3 years and by then it’ll probably get forgotten.

[_Renzo]

You can make a pretty decent guess on speed and timings by using the audio.

Also you know the corner rush is coming and where it’s coming from, the guy doing the corner rush only knows that there is an engine sound around that corner and doesn’t know where it is exactly. So not only can you pre aim, the reaction time of the enemy will likely be slower than yours, since the enemy still has to locate your exact location and aim for it.

[ShOt_MaCkEr]

I’ll try to explain it.

Not even talking about dart eating era, ping issues, fuel tanks, sometimes damn tracks.
Their brain dead rush is rewarded by this game mechanics and is a highly forgiving tactic, but only for them. Not telling that they’re op or something, just unrealistically buffed/ annoying to play against. In no world they do deserve any buffs.

[Killer_Queen602]

Insane skill issue of a shot ngl. You can replicate that on any tank so don’t even begin.

[Caernarvon02]

the average K/D is 0.65 in war thunder bro

[_Renzo]

@ShOt_MaCkEr

I’ll try to explain it.

Not even talking about dart eating era, ping issues, fuel tanks, sometimes damn tracks.
Their brain dead rush is rewarded by this game mechanics and is a highly forgiving tactic, but only for them.

This still assumes that the T-series perfectly knows where the enemy tank is when blindly rushing a turret, which often isn’t the case.

I made this very crude piece of art in paint:

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The T-series MBT (red rectangle) only knows there is an engine sound to their right and when blindly rushing a corner they can’t thrid person check first. A lot of the assumptions are that the enemy MBT will always be in the same position (blue rectangle) and that the T-series knows exactly where the enemy MBT is. Yet the enemy MBT can technically be in any position within the green area, the T-series MBT has no way of pre aiming for every possible position so has to make a guess. A wrong guess will slow down the reaction time of the T-series as they have to correct their crosshair.

@ShOt_MaCkEr

In no world they do deserve any buffs.

Just to be sure, I’m not advocating for any buffs for the T-series. I’m just arguing with nation mains.

@Caernarvon02

the average K/D is 0.65 in war thunder bro

There are still a bunch of steps between average and very good. The stats you posted still at best fall under decent or just good.

[mrshufflin]

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[Killer_Queen602]

What did this comment achieve bro. Your argument got disproved so now you post memes. Good job dawg.

[mrshufflin]

Thing is, that your whole discussion exists only because you don’t know how to utilize one of the most broken line ups in the game. You didn’t play enything else and on your main tree you are just mediocre. If a press full W gameplay is too much for you too handle, then you shouldn’t actaully talk about balance in this game at all.

[ShOt_MaCkEr]

@__Renzo__

I made this very crude piece of art in paint:

I see you’re a general yourself. My pleasure.
I see what you mean, it’s just that same scenario happened to me quite a lot of times and it’s anways a gamble, so much that I hate it with my whole guts. Sometimes dart goes through and takes out nothing/fuel tank/autoloader, sometimes it get eaten by era. Situation is so bad that I caught myself having a surge of dophamine every time one of those die from a first shot in his side. In a general routine of killing tanks with a pokerface that means something.

[Killer_Queen602]

If I had jets and SPAA I’d talk much less, but I don’t. Playing purely RU tanks for hundreds of games is a nightmare. They’re bad tanks and that’s a fact lol.

Suggesting that people full press W is just a way to tell them that you’re playing in low-skill noobie games and/or likely have a very deluded & unrealistic point of view.

Are you the one full W’ing or are you the one dying to W’ers?