Did you know the funniest part?
He didn’t get it
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My dude, I have the chinese rank 8 mbts, and like i have said about 4 times, the russian ones as well. I have actually played the british MBTs for a long time, and can do quite well in them, but it is much more difficult and requires a lot more focus than just, holding W like I can do in russia. I also have rank 8 germany.
The T90M is actually pretty close to some of the abrams series, type 10/tkx, leclerc and merkava, it probably just doesnt feel that way, because most of the players who play those vehicles (with the exception of the abrams) are usually very skilled, because its usually not their first nation. And of course its not going to be close to the leopard or strvb, thats because IRL they are also exceptional MBTs, and this is true for all other top teir tanks not just the T90M. The leopard and Strv are better when compared to ALL other top teir tanks
M1A2T made top tier China 10x better than it used to be, J-10C, Z-10ME, AH-64E, and HQ11 also helped immensely.
France has a great all round lineup with 6 great MBTs, 2 good SPAA, Great CAS in Rafale and AH-64E, and the EBRC Jaguar is a solid light tank.
Italy is likely the weakest of the 3 here, but 2A7HU, Aster, EF2K AESA, are all great, with some pretty good lights like Freccia and the AMV is surprisingly workable.
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I don’t suggest arguing with him, you’re not going to change his mind, he is far too stubborn.
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My brother in Christ, I like those nation at top tier, (I don’t have china tbh) but they are nowhere close to the Russian top tier, the only one that comes close is France only and I repeat, ONLY, for the Rafale.
Russian top tier is just CAS, and Pantsir/BUK if you like to torture yourself. Its not bad, but the lack of good tanks hurts. Other nations have great CAS as well, but don’t sacrifice on tanks.
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I would hope so too, but being on this forum has learned that some people seriously think those are good stats.
I’m not the best player but I usually also aim for at least ~2 K/D for vehicles I enjoy, maybe 1.0-1.5 K/D for the stock grind.
Yeah I just did see your comment about your alt.
However you have a 0.7 K/D and K/S in your T-90M, that doesn’t show “I’m doing quite well in it” at all. Hell that shows the complete opposite.
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The two account rule you speak of “3.4: User shall not create multiple Accounts” was not around in the terms of service even in 2023. It’s a more recent addition to the ToS.
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Yeah I’m probably wasting my time, but I’m also quite stubborn so I can’t let it go yet.
I guess I usually just learn things the hard way.
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I don’t know why but on paper Russian tanks just don’t fit my play style but when I play them I just have fun, you just turn off the brain and play.
Having said this I find the Russian tanks just as good as the other nations if not better just because the survive everything, so many shots that had to kill the tank just don’t do it and that makes them broken.
You’ve never played the T-72B3, T-72B '87, T-72B '89, T-72B3 Arena nor T-72B3M.
I’m honestly at a loss for what’s going on here.
My list of explanations for your comments has been quickly reduced to: ‘Is likely trolling’, but then you’ve only been polite to me, so I’m at a loss here.
Quite the understatement.
I’ve had my DM53 fired from a Leopard 2A6 intercepted at 950 meters distance.
Being able to regularly negate 2+ APFSDS rounds fired at you (Black Night) -vs- Having your turret popped by APFSDS on the first shot because APS doesn’t interact with APFSDS (T-72B3A) is a MASSIVE difference.
So far I’ve given you countless examples and comparisons that show 11.7 is the appropriate BR, and you’ve not addressed any of those arguments, yet you’re still maintaining 11.7 would be too low.
At this point you’re simply sticking to what you believe not because it’s true, but because you want it to be so.
Going by previous comments, I’m not even sure if you know what Kontakt-5 is.
Okay, this confirms you don’t know what Kontakt-5 is…
You don’t even know the most basic things, yet you’re arguing about their proper BR’s?
Sigh… Of course you do…
Sounds like you’re not aiming for the areas that are highlighted. I’m not experiencing any of those problems.
Volumetric applies to all vehicles equally, you’ll encounter volumetric nonsense on an Abrams’ turret ring or gun shield as well, but that doesn’t mean D/JM33 cannot penetrate those areas (reliably), it just means sometimes RNG kicks in.
S Tier: Strv 122A, 122B+, 122B PLSS, Leopard 2A7V, 2A7HU.
A Tier: M1A2, M1A2 SEP, Type 10.
B Tier: Leopard 2A5, 2A6, 2 PSO, T-80BVM, Challenger 2E, Leclerc S1, S2, SXXI, AZUR.
C Tier: Ariete AMV, T-90M, Challenger 2 (2F)
F Tier: T-72B3A, Challenger 2 OES, TES
Please feel free to take another glance at this:
It is significantly less mobile than:
- M1A1’s, M1A2’s, Leopard 2A6/2A5/2PSO, 2A7V, T-80BVM, T-80U-E1, T-80U, Challenger 2E, Type 90, Type 90B, Type 10, ZTZ-99A, M1A2T, WZ1001, Ariete AMV, Leclerc S1, S2, SXXI, AZUR, Strv 122A, 122B+, 122B PLSS, Merkava Mk.4, Mk.4M.
In other words: it’s slower than 95% of it’s opposition. The only vehicles in that chart which have inferior mobility are ones at significantly lower BR’s.
It’s simply delusional at this point to claim that the T-90M’s mobility is ‘‘Not far behind’’.
Nearly everything does, moot point.
The difference is that the T-90M has that appalling -6° of gun depression. That’s why it’s gun handling characteristics are worse than it’s peers.
Name me a single 12.7 MBT that has a slower reload than a T-90M.
And let’s not pretend that the penetration of the T-90M is anything special just because it happens to be FIVE WHOLE MILIMETERS higher than the literal lowest of the low.
- DM53: 629mm @ 1000m
- M829A2: 613mm
- DM53 (Italy): 599mm
- Type 10: 594mm
- M338: 586mm
- slpprj m/95: 565mm
- OFL 120F1: 557mm
- 3BM-60: 557mm
- DTC10-125: 556mm
- L27A1: 552mm
Every time you’ll make this claim, I’ll remind you of your 0.7 K/D and 0.68 K/spawn ratios in the T-90M.
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i genuinely want to know why you put Type 10 at A. especially the pro and con between USSR, GER, and US
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If you see your team crumbling you can also, you know, anticipate, turn 180° and run away to a safer location.
The upper part of normandy is flatter, the lower part is a town where t-series tank excel
If at any point you find yourself forced in a hulldown on Normandy of all maps, you are doing something wrong
T-72B3 accelerates similar to 2A7V, 90m is a tad slower
T-80BVM has a similar acceleration to a Leclerc (which is wrong on so many levels, maybe someone has that old IRL vs in game acceleration chart laying around)
As for reload, yes, they have one weak point, I guess you could ask them to make a neck autoloader idk, you have amongs the best armor, ok mobility, and you would want the best reload to go along with it maybe ?
Good mobility and reload isn’t exactly what carries your game when you brainlessly run around a corner
Take a hike, chancer.
Spoiler
If you are struggling in a braindead rush type of a tank, no buff will change their performance for you. Compare the weakspot real estate between all top tiers and try to produce a conclusion.
EDIT: Fixed the video
But I just checked, all of them have negative KD bro and some go as low as 0.5, obviously it doesn’t work.
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“truth be told, if you really know what you are doing, enemy armor does not come into play that often, and if it does, it means you usually screwed up seconds ago”
I can take the same text and swap out reverse speed for enemy armor (or armor in general even) and the sentence still works just as well.
I would much rather be in an Abrams or Leclerc than in any T-72/90 in close range fights or brawls.
If a T-series brainlessly runs around a corner and gets away with it that is a skill issue on the enemy.
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Let me ask it this way :
Is it more difficult to look around before going out in the wild, or adjusting a 1s snapshot on a moving driver port ?
Not to mention NATO tanks also have to look around before moving out, it’s not only a thing for t-tanks. It’s just that if they are in trouble, they MAY be able to get out IF their engine isn’t out on the first shot, IF their driver isn’t knocked out, or IF they did not get one shot.
Situational, much ?
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You have audio and a T-series rounding a corner at full speed (not like the T-72 and T-90 are that fast) isn’t exactly quiet. This gives you enough time to do some basic crosshair placement.
And in the case of the T-72/T-90 you might even be able to get a crippling shot off before they can shoot you due to their meh speed/mobility.
So yeah if you get suprised by a T-series rounding a corner full speed it is a player issue.
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You guys should see how they treated the “russian” design oplot-t in japan tt. of course its one of the worst mbt in top tier while t90m gets all the best era