Russian Teams Steamrolling NATO - Top Tier is Broken Again?

wach closely a lott spall hitted the ammo and eated it only yelow afther the ammo has passed with 0 damage but in nato mbts the spall liner afther is penetraste is spalling gaijin logic… " Community Bug Reporting System "

or russian tanks barrel cliping in hull not problem" russian mains no report this issue … to ad +1-2 grane to - depression " Community Bug Reporting System "

this is fk true… only leopards and abrams have turret basket:D

Gaijin double standards:

Someone is upset that I mimicked the previous meme, writing it off as “off-topic” when it is very on topic.

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  1. The auto loader doesn’t eat spall, it does produce spall.
  2. The gun is typically knocked out along with the loader.
  3. Driver, loader, engine hits are very common in t series, or rather drive, then ammo and your dead.
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“Super wrong, soviets were completed with it in the 1960s, nice job looking up a loaded question.”

Try reading a history book - preferably one not penned in the USSR…

For the record: The Soviets were late to the party with ERA like they were with Composites. Regen steering. Thermals. EO Fire control systems. Hell, they were using a clapped out variant of the T-34 V-2 diesel engine until recently - in fact it’s worse - they STILL do. We’re talking about a technology base about a full generation behind that of the Chinese and the West in almost every military technology.

They can’t even work out how NERA works to this day (see Gaijin’s inability to model it correctly).

Maybe im nitpicking here but wouldnt the NATO equivalent to the autoloader be the loader?

Only the top part. The carousel doesnt.

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And before that auto loaders had almost no downsides.

You were talking about double standards?

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For soviet style ones, they generally had a longer reload, and the tanks themselves had worse survivability because of fewer crew. However, modelled autoloaders weren’t a very big nerf towards vehicles that use them.

Thinking Gaijin has double standards against Russian tanks is laughable, but so is thinking certain top tier NATO ones are worse than what Russian gets. Some are, like the Arietes or Challengers, but the Leopards and potentially the Abrams are better than what Russia gets.

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100% agreed with this, especially when it comes to MBTs.

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So what’s bias in 2025 ?
Giving 38MT a better seeker than it has ?
Giving ARH missile to BUK which is poopoo anyways ?

The same as it was in 2024. Giving Russia special treatment that other nations dont get. Whether that actually manifests in a dominating winrate is a different question.

I’ve seen cases of preferential treatment across the board.

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Across the board, sure. The US getting super powerful planes before everyone and the Rafale making top tier borderline unplayable for months are great examples. But you have to pull examples from all 9 other trees to match the treatment Russia gets consistently. The problem is the sheer quantity and in special cases like the KH38MT also the quality.

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Sweden received not one but two Leopards that were better than German ones, which lasted for years.
Rafale getting special seeker on MICA while having overperforming and fictional IR Hammer seeker at the same time.
Germany getting FnF helicopter years before others.
M247 was added years ago with HE-VT ammunition while most others were stuck with “normal” rounds with tracers.

Took me like two seconds to give you several examples.

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Awesome and you needed 4 Tech trees for your examples which is precisely what im saying. Youll always find a counterexample that suits you but the simple fact that you have to look at multiple trees to give examples to the treatment one tree gets should be a sign that someting is weird.

I’m here saying that other nations get preferential treatment all the time. This Rafale issue paired with Leclercs not getting turret baskets is just a very recent and pretty big example of that. I won’t even start on Japan and their countless fakes.

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Can you provide source/explain me why MICA overperform pls? ^^

Yes and my point is that you have to pull examples out of every tech tree to match the preferential treatment just the USSR one gets.
KH38MT - Hammer seeker
SU30SM engine racks - F16AJ
Soyuz - Scharnhorst
FCS not modeled for ru tanks, cuz unfair - leclerc and challenger not having baskets
LDIRCM being stupid - China and USA have that one aswell
LMURs only correctly lofting AGM - indefensible
ERA and Autoloader wonkiness - China has that one too
Buk can function without radar vehicle - japan can do the same
Russia getting R73s and R77-1 vs Aim9Ms and sidegraded Aim 120 C5s - France gets MICA and Magic2
Stingers cant be better than Iglas, because they look similar - ???
(NATO tanks using outdated rounds - not just russia benefits from that)
Do you see the problem?

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Not overperforming but getting special seeker, while other missiles are stuck with a generic one.

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The Mica doesn’t overperform afaik, but it has been buffed closer to its IRL performance, while other missiles like the R-77s, Pl-12, AAM-4, and 120C-5s are much worse than IRL.

It also has a unique seekerhead that makes it harder to notch, and it’s design of being very good WVR makes it much more suited for the meta. The Rafale has also recieved numerous buffs to it’s FM, and loadout, while the EFT has been nerfed and ignored.

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