Russian Teams Steamrolling NATO - Top Tier is Broken Again?

If there was any chance of it not being sufficient do you not believe there would have been a crash program to develop a solution?

There was less than 5 years between M829A2 and -A3.

M829A4 is still rolling out and there is no evidence that even considers the existence of M829E5.

and besides

It is the materiel solution for the Abrams’ lethality capability gap against threat vehicles equipped with third-generation explosive reactive armor

Doesn’t seem like Relict is considered an issue. -A3’s IOC milestone was reached in 2003, Relict entered service ~2006, -A4 turns up in 2014, its introduction wasn’t rushed.

So, doesn’t mean they don’t have sensors, Kinematic ranging and Kalman filters most certainly exist and Angle only contacts have been able to be shot at for neigh on 6 decades at this point.

Do you remember what happened with the TOW-2B? The wholesale removal of the S-13DF, Stingers being “similar” to the Igla, Su-25 surviving 21 Stingers.

I mean R darter has served me better but maybe due to being fired from a gripen.

I have the same experience.

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Gripen is the key.

I’d always rather take 6x AIM-9s than the waste of space that was the Darters on the inner pylons - simply due to the Gripen’s ability to beat up anything at shorter ranges.

They are forgiving to use for new players, but forgiving doesn’t mean good tanks.

Their skill ceiling is just way to low to be considered good.

The tow2B was not something i was actually aware of.

The stinger thing was pretty stupid.

F5C still does survive wild hits.

Or maybe you all are just coping big time and theyre not nearly as bad as you pretend they are

Yeah handheld tech tree as i said before

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Nah that would be Germany or Sweden at top tier.

Russian tanks are only forgiving in the sense that they punish nad enemies.

Yeah sweden and germany are totally handheld, because of literally one vehicle that Gaijin has done their absolute best to nerf as hard as possible.

Reserve is race cars with autocannons, the bulk of the tech tree is high pen APHE from stock unlike US, their captured premiums all work better by not having to face said ammunition and Leopards have never not been excellent vehicles

Germany Ground is as handheld as it gets

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Reading more than one comment is hard i know but its worth trying

*posted from my extremely hard to use and overtiered nazibunker as I fire my railgun

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😂this whole thread is nothing but a joke.

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Ive out done an F15 at 12km with a darter…

4 darters and 2 9Ms is the best loadout

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The funny thing is, the F-16s were already the better performing jets against their mig-29 counterparts

Whilst the Su-27s lost to the F-15A/C/Es for the longest. Shall we remind you of the fox 3 meta release for how dominant F-15C/E were respectively before the rafale and Eurofighters came and started dominating both russia n america?

Only recently did the su30s arrive in april and still can not beat the nato jets such as eurofighters or rafales.

Lack of decent fm is the main issue; but im fine with how the Su-30 has been implemented, i also do not mind if they take away 2 missiles from it. I think it was unnecessary to give it that many missiles.

But no way is it beating a eurofighter or Rafale. In 1v1s or 4v4s or 16v16s of full one jet sided match ups

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They are Br for Br one of if not the best ground tree in game and have been for a long time.

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15e still can just fly up drop off its payload, turn out and be dominant.

Every other 14.0 that was new, aka su30, ef2000, rafa all moved to 14.3 , f15e 14.0

Same as when the F15A dropped it sat a step below worse counter parts

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Yep at the time F-15As were 13.0 while su27s went upto 13.3s(when Fox3 jets came out) . And before that being 12.7 while russian su-27s were 13.0 before the first br compression for that time i think

Always being a step lower favoritism to American jets

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Mig 29 12.7 vs F16A 12.3, f16A wins in every regard bar SARH as it doesn’t have one.
.Mig29 smt vs the objectively better block F16ADF is it ? Sitting at 13.3 with aim120s, as well as far as im aware a better radar.

Su27 got dogged on until very recently, the su27sm was too fat and R77s weren’t comparable with the range of 120s.

The su30 actually brought it back a bit and im working towards it to see how it actually is.

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Lets not forget F14s sitting at what was it ? 12.0 / 12.3 for the longest time…

Or even when they whwre added having literally nothing that could counter them…

Gaijin plays flavour of the month usually.

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