Its true but skill issue is just as true for USSR teams as it is for the other majors. The big difference is whether the equipment available is easy to use for the skill issue crowd or not. And looking at Brimstone + PARS UHT vs KH38MT/ML + LMUR MI28NM its pretty clear whats easier to use effectively for the average player
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Well after reading through the recent stuff on this thread I can confidently say that people only believe that their experience in the game is the correct one and everyone else who disagrees is wrong. I always see people pull stats saying the person with a differing opinion is “wrong”, but that defeats the point of discussions. People are going to have different opinions and it’s not right to completely discredit those opinions because they’re not good at the game. If you’re super good at the game, congratulations you do not speak for the majority of the playerbase, nor does someone who is bad at the game. If you respect opinions from other people then maybe this game can get changed for the better instead of every discussion devolving into chaos that gets them closed.
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Kh38MT vs Brimstones - yeah agree… Kh require less skill
Kh38ML vs Brimstones - no, it is pritty much the same… same skill
LMUR vs PARS - the same, but the LMUR has a highter kill probability (in terms of use/skill, the’re the same)
Guess i must have missed the part where Brimstones have GNSS then?
So one top attacks, has higher TnT equiv., double the range and is on a platform with LDIRCM but people with similar skill will perform similarly?
yes
Spike
JAGM
PARS
LMUR
Same…
Phew im glad you added content creators which use specifically picked matches to make entertaining videos to proof your point, because otherwise someone might think that said point is…lets say its out there.
Also nice move to take SPIKE and PARS videos that are not even from the current update with the new AGMs
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Well you moved the point from “skill to use” to “TnT equiv” and “range” so…
How does that change the targets set SPIKE and PARS are used against and they’re effectivness???
He specifically said LMUR Mi-28 the LMUR is significantly better both in travel time, ease and consistency of locking(PARS was also good when it was first added at lock consisteny) and kill chance than the PARS (partly due to the loft of the pars being incorrectly modeled). But you also need to consider the Mi-28 is a substantially better platform than the UHT in every sense (except maybe the camera placement which i personally like more on the UHT) flight model, anti aircraft capabilities (just the mi28 30mm cannon or a pilon of Vikhrs) compared to the lackluster atas missiles which is the UHTs only defence. Then comes flight performance, a Mi-28 warms up way quicker (faster climb) and is suprisingly similarly as maneuvrable as the UHT, also lets not forget the IRCCM the mi28 gets. Ive made my point. Yes a skilled player can do well in the UHT, but a skilled player can also do well in an allouette 3 at toptier, so that kind of point imo is invalid.
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I mean that is true for some minor nations, but nations like Sweden, Germany, Italy and the US for example take about as much skill as playing the US.
Like seriously, if someone goes negative or barely even K/D in tanks like the Leopard 2A7s, Strv 122s, Abrams and T-80s than they should seriously rethink if top tier is something for them.
I agree, there are also enough bad russian mains with absolutely braindead takes.
If I see those I’ll also point them out.
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I did not.
If you take 2 people of similar skill and one is in a platform thats just much more capable in every regard then that person is going to perform better despite not being more skilled. Therefore one is easier to use effectively
Evaluating their effectiveness without comparison is useless.
I’m confused…
Agreed except for the k/d part. In my opinion k/d is not a good way of seing someones impact on the match, think of all the support players out there (the few of them) that will scout enemy tanks, respawn aas till the cas thats been wiping out the entire team has been eliminated , decapping points when its needed, etc. I know ive had my fair share of games where I ended up with a negative or even k/d but still made a significant impact on the match. Id rather have a good teammate playing the objective than a braindead spawncamper with a good k/d that loses us the match.
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Mi-28 excel only in terms of LDRCM and the chin mounted 30 mm cannon… mobility the UHT is way ahead due to been lighter
Saying PARS and SPIKE are effective based on a youtube video is already questionable but the real problem is that this statement is useless without having a comparison.
If my Baseline is that HOT3 is an effective weapon then PARS and SPIKE are going to be insanely effective for me. If my baseline is that LMUR is an effective weapon then PARS and SPIKE are going to look much weaker to me. They are effective as in “they can kill tanks” but if you want to tell how effective a weapon really is you have to compare it to its competitors
Someone has to go negative, otherwise noone would play…
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Agree that a youtube video is not a valid agrument (due to editing/selective recording ect)… or it’s as much as a screanshoot of a post-battle socre (that are currently used). Bouth are outliers.
But using a video 3-1 months old, of a PARS and SPIKE doest change how effective they’re. One can achieve same/similar results with them, copared to the new missiles. Also I compere them to the current LMUR and JAGM… not to HOT3 or Falanga…
If you had played the UHT you would know this is not the case. At high speed perhaps the UHT is more maneuvrable. But the Mi28 builds up speed and altitude way faster than the UHT. But yes the Mi28 gets into the weird left or right roll when it builds up too much speed due to its weight. Also PARS vs LMUR again…
we talked about the platforms, right?
Ofc you can but you can also achieve similar results in a Leopard 1 as in a 2A7 but theyre hardly similarly effective.
My point with HOT was that “PARS is effective” is a subjective statement that you cant really discuss. Meanwhile “PARS is more effective than HOT, because it has more range and is FnF” is an objective statement that you can actually discuss. Thats why videos from before the update are useless, because they dont offer that comparison you need to get into an objective discussion
I actually prefer beam riding or laser guided munitions nowadays with the exception of the LMUR xD. Its just more consistent for me.
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