Russian Teams Steamrolling NATO - Top Tier is Broken Again?

Russia,
America,
Italy,
Sweden,
Japan,
And Germany I believe.

The other nations I have “top” in I’m waiting till everything is 50% off in silver to save millions, I have them researched, just not purchased.
Pretty much France the Brit’s are what I’m waiting to buy.

How did I run out of luck?

Yup that fits the bill pretty well for LMUR.

Also, I would advise against using JustinePlays as a source, he is a very biased content creator, often downplaying OP USA vehicles, and overhyping Ussr vehicles.

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I don’t have either one of the helis yet so I had to get the gameplay from somewhere.

if we had any evidence that the pylons were designed with the capability to use TV or IR guided missiles it would be different, but there has never been any evidence that they have this capability

this is a false equivalency because both use the same primary forms of guidance being laser and MMW radar, additionally AGM-179 was designed specifically to use the same launch rails, where LMUR uses very different launch rails compared to Vikhr

another false equivalency because both transmit and recieve the same forms of data, just taken with different types of sensors and 65D was designed to use the same rails as 65B

You know that people can just check your stats these days right?

and that gives you experience in those vehicles how exactly?

Compared to the completely objective and neutral war thunder forum members

I do, over 90% of the time when tanks round corners.
The other <10% of the time I hit too far back on the side armor and miss something.

It physically cannot, and to this day all “evidence” has been overlapping plates, tracks, and/or roof armor.
Not a single source people have provided has shown ERA eating a round.

No, on su27SM and Su30 It Is physically smaller so the double racks R77 cannot fit.

The post you replied to shows photographs of the R-77 double pylons, which are identical in spacing to the in-game ones between the engines.

Su-30SM/Su-35 as examples have the same exact center-line store positions as shown in a follow up post:

I spoiler images because they can elongate posts too much.

Su-35 adds ~11.5 inches of wingspan each side, which also adds more fuel to the aircraft.

The pictures u sent of the su30 are from war thunder
The pictures u posted of actually real double racks are from a Su35.

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The photos in the follow up post show an Su-30SM [as identified via the forward canards] and Su-35 having the same exact engine distance between them and the same exact center-line.

Not sure why you’re so against evidence.

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You are the only biased guy here, you want evidence for every bit of Russian equipment, while obviously for the US there are different standards and everyting was designed to fit with everything.

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Im sorry, so recognizing that certain missiles are designed to be compatible with previous launch rails and pylons while asking for evidence that missiles that clearly use unique launch rails are compatible with certain pylons is being biased now?

And you obviously know, that they are EXACT the same, it’s just plug and play, nothing had to be changed.
But you as aviation engineer know that, obviously.

given that every source states that JAGM is compatible with the same launch rails as helifire along with the fact that every manual states AGM65D is compatible with the same launch rails as AGM65B is clearly difficult for you to understand,

To be fair - that’s one of the whole Shticks with NATO Standard stuff. The basic idea is that you make as much backwards compatible as possible - effectively allowing you to fit later weapons fits to older platforms. The main embuggerance is often firmware/software (getting the weapon and plane to ‘talk’ to eachother).

The Soviets (later Russians) never really had that mindset - which is one of the reasons why you’ll note that virtually each OKB and almost each aircraft produced has it’s own distinct pylons, hardpoints, etc. It’s also one of the reasons why they never really standardised a targeting pod that would actually fit on more than one or two aircraft…

(Quite funny really, given their fondness for top-down centralisation…)

But the problem is YouTubers never show their stats, and they cherry pick the best games for “content”

Which just means it’s physical capable to carry the missile, but you don’t have proof it can actually use, control, aim and fire it due to software, avionics etc.

To be honest I don’t even know what people are talking abt anymore but if anyone said anything about the jagm and ah64e i just want to say it’s amazing, and I do think it maybe needs a tiny tiny buff but nothing more. In my opinion it’s perfect as it is

but we do, for JAGM we know that they only need to update software to make a platform compatible, and we know the rails and pylons have all the necessary connections because they can mount other missiles that use both SAL and MMW guidance along with manufacturer statements showing compatibility

we have none of this for LMUR on inner pylons of MI28