Russian Teams Steamrolling NATO - Top Tier is Broken Again?

There is zero evidence of a Kh-38 with IR seeker being used they have all been the ML version.
That is not to say the missile doesn’t exist which players largely don’t have a problem with.
What is the problem is how effective the missile is how it can track high speed moving targets (when even the manufacturer of said missile states IR mode is not to be used for that)
They recommend mmW or SAL modes. People get frustrated that Russian kit get’s every advantage it possibly could to remain competitive in game.
Relikt ERA working at all angles…No that’s not how ERA works it loses efficacy depending on the angle of impact.
LMUR - No proof of 8 being carried by an MI-28 including export brochures, static displays and combat operations. Also is surprise surprise the best Heli missile in game…Yet Gaijin refuse to add the 15km SPIKE to Israel. Or model the correct top attack profile for Hellfires (Only been about 5 years)
Brimstone - “nerfed for balance”
BUK M3 - No proof the missile existed, no proof it was tested and zero proof the missile and seeker were ever combined. Is still offered as SARHM system. BUK M3 currently the only sam that doesnt need the Radar unit. These sams are hard enough to kill without them having 3 lives.
Same proven fucntionality denied to Skysabre and SAMP-T
Gaijin’s refusal to model drag from wing pylons and external loads. Yes that would effect China and the USA but jets that carry 12 missiles should have to deal with the massive increase in drag.

This and many reasons is why players get peed off with Gaijins view of Russian equipment

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I’d need proof of 64E carrying 16 JAGMs.

Not really.

How does this affect RU only ?

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You do get that no one actually wants the JAGM, let alone the -MR. The AGM-114L would have been more than enough. But Gaijin refuses for no reason.

Best I can do is prove it’s planned, Quad JAGMs would also be possible, but I’ve not seen anything for the -MR’s that aren’t obviously renders.



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Wow an actual US army source and we know dimensions and the launch rails are designed to be able to use Hellfires and JAGM

People wanting something or not doesn’t matter.
If it’s in the game it should exist in real life ?

There’s also a picture of a pylon that carries two LMURs.

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We have images, multiple images of 16 Hellfires, considering JAGM is designed to be compatible with those rails. And we have US military documents backing up the 16 payload for JAGM

BUK M3 if you destroy the Radar the other launchers can still be used, IRIS-T Radar dies system dies.
Skysabre and SAMP-T should have this fucntionality and it was denied.

Well NATO tend to recess missiles (Gaijin also do not model ejector pylons) to reduce drag
Russia only have on most airframes 2 missiles recessed between the engines but the pylons themselves are not recessed adding to increased drag, The majority are mounted on wing stations.
There should be some negatives from carrying 14 missiles.

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There is but not mounted on the 4 stations.
documents also suggest that LMUR at least on MI-28 are designed to carry 4 as a maximum.

Give me an image of 16 JAGMs on a helicopter, brochure doesn’t interest me.

So same as 64E, good to know.

Someone has already shared sources and in far more detail of any of the rebuttal to the LMUR question.
LMUR is a new missile it does not use existing rails. if it had been a new version that shares the Vikhrs launch tubes then sure.

Again same missile size same launch rail, same carrying capacity.
Although with how good JAGM is you probably wont carry 16 of them when 8 will do.

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I already said I don’t care about your brochures, give me pictures or I’ll just assume you’re wrong.

Vikhrs are irrelevant here.
Double missile pylon has been shown and weight of the entire system isn’t problematic either.

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So you want photographic evidence when you cannot even provide me with a simple design showing 8 LMURS is possible.

Despite you being provided with Data sheets from the US Army (the operator of the airframe) and Lockheed the manufacturer of the missile.

And yes of course the Vikhrs point is relevant, if the new missile shared the same launch rails then you could make the case for it. As mentioned LMUR uses a new launch system and even in combat they are using it no more than 4 per airframe.

I would also add why do Russian helicopters get APDS as a belt choice

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How about a very cool not at all digitally altered, real photograph by lockmart

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Yes I want that as brochures clearly don’t work.

Not using more than 4 per airframe = can’t use more than 4
Brilliant.

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It’s like arguing how do we know Aim120C (being the exact same size) can fit on the same pylons as the Aim120B

Well because that was one of the design requirements

No single image or diagram shows more than 4

Well it’s why F-16’s can’t use their inner wing station for ordnance.

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Russian players are very passionate about this game and they don’t like it when they are held to the same standards as the rest of the player base.

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Something being the exact same size doesn’t prove that they are compatible in anything more than just the mounting system.

I’m still looking for images of 64E with 16 JAGMs mounted.

Keep looking unlike Russia the US isn’t at war you are not going to find an Ah-64E fully loaded for anti armour operations.

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Some more diagrams, sources

Why would you mount 8 LMUR’s in the war Russia is at right now ?
Cold war with huge assumed tank asasaults is over.

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