IR Hammer isn’t the only thing that uses LOAL, so I don’t see why it wouldn’t get it’s seeker nerfed if it’s literally proven it’s highly overperforming.
Bandaid has already been provided by POINT tracking.
I agree, if the Brimstone gets laser guidance because Gaijin doesnt want to add LOAL the AASM should also get only Laser guidance.
However comparing the bandaid fix for the Hammer thats only based in Gaijin laziness to a fake seeker that might not even be able to be used by the SU30 is quite far fetched
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you can shoot a laser missile through GPS and make it acquire later. LOAL doesn’t exist for IR missiles yes, but it kind of exist in game for laser weaponry at least
In any case, LOAL Hammer wouldn’t be needed if KH was removed
Projects cancelled yes, so no missile ? Usually the project phase occurs before the object of said project is ready to be deployed / produced
Or maybe time is reversed in Russia ?
You don’t fire a missile with pretty models and sale brochures, if i may
But even I could provide a model and a brochure with enough time and some determination lmao.
As for prototypes, i think you are getting carried away, we have no proof of a prototype ever existing, and no documentation on it being fired in any test
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Gaijin implements LOAL with POINT tracking, the problem with Brimstones is the radar seeker which isn’t something we have in the game.
This isn’t bandaid fix, POINT tracking is. The fact you can get a POINT track 20-30-40km away is a clear sign of that, as IR seekers don’t activate at those distances and is a half-assed LOAL mechanic.
Even with LOAL fully modelled, IR Hammer wouldn’t be able to track anything beyond 1.5km of range, thus lowering it’s effectiveness by a ton.
Mig-15 bis decent.
IS-7, and Pt are both very rare.
Mi-8 is a dumpster fire, one hit and your either on fire or cannot fire.
Vs the still super tanky for no reason AH-1G
There’s a common problem with helicopters that if the fuselage takes any sort of damage right now that the guns won’t fire including on ah1g It happened to me last night and I filed a bug report I don’t know if it’s been looked at yet though as I am at work
They still could have implemented the same bandaid fix just with IR guided brimstones but thats not the topic anyway.
But point tracking wouldnt allow it to engage tanks at all just well points so that wouldnt be faithful either. So point tracking is not the bandaid its the first part of what we need for LOAL to work
I disagree. There is photos and videos suggesting it’s real, but classified.
No lol
Nope, Su-27SM has newer pylon with wires to launch A2G weapon like Kh-29s. Those pylon are similar but not the same
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That’s because laser weapons can be guided mid-flight by the plane, which isn’t true for IR missiles.
LOAL isn’t needed anyways.
Project lasts from it’s inception all the way until the thing is fully built.
If you want to cancel things along the way, you’ll leave a paper trail.
But we have that on 38MT, meanwhile you have absolutely nothing on your M10 hypersonic anti-everything missile. When you provide mockups/prototypes with sales brochures I might believe it’s really happening.
Forget the plane, how does the missile behave ?
It is fired with only GPS coordinates with no laser lock. And once you activate the laser it locks on it. That’s the very definition of “Lock On After Launch”
Paper trail is nice, but it’s still not a functionning missile. If the project leading to KH38 MT mass production was cancelled, the missile does not exist, i don’t really know what’s hard to understand in that
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They could do that for balance or just simply give them laser Brimstones with more range and speed.
POINT can transfer into TRACK if something comes in the seeker’s FOV at certain ranges (this range should be ~1.5km for Hammer), so this is pretty much LOAL implemented if you discard the fact you need to establish LoS before firing off your missile.
If you fire your missile from 15km away you’ll need to wait until the missile is 1.5km away from the target for your missile to actually start tracking a moving target. This would make moving targets extremely hard to hit consistently if you launch from any decent range (like 10km+).
yeah i get that but since we dont have a possibility to lock a target while the missile is in flight (except for laser guidance) the hammer would not be able to engage a tank if the IR lock wasnt implemented as is right now, correct?
You should ask Gaijin why they implemented IR missiles with POINT/TRACK and why they don’t work with GNSS. Probably deemed too strong because they can do everything on their own, you don’t need to do anything.
So you can prove the missile not existing by finding that paper trail.
I don’t know for sure but if POINT track wasn’t a thing in the game, you’d probably need to come at 1.5km away from the target to launch the IR Hammer, or ~13km for IR missiles nowadays.
Gaijin probably saw this as an issue and implemented half-assed LOAL by using POINT track.
yes the 38mt is a paper missile and shouldnt be in game
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Problem is, the mechanics as they are in WT are not really fit for hammer
Missile is fired on a GPS point using an image that can catch the fighting scene and the intended target (using TGP)
It cruises to the pre set location using GPS. Once over its “destination”, it goes in a vertical dive, and 1.5km away from the ground it takes a first picture to make sure the set and the target is still present. If the target moved, it realigns, and takes a second picture to make the final adjustments.
By how much it can realign is, afaik, unknown (an educated guess would be something around 200m probably). It would probably result in a less capable missile against fast moving ground vehicles, but basically the same (or dare i say even better) when targetting a slow moving target (such as multivehicle SPAAs). Basically becoming more specialized
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Once again, you want me to prove the non existence of something
Not how it works
Yeah i get that so i was right in my intial assessment that Gaijin was lazy and half assed the implementation to avoid putting actual LOAL in the game and instead took the next best thing
Far less capable missile against moving ground vehicles.*
Something getting scrapped and abandoned leaves a paper trail, which pretty much confirms things have been scrapped.