Russian Teams Steamrolling NATO - Top Tier is Broken Again?

[MotorolaCRO]

@UNN_Daedalos

You will keep denying though, so i won’t insist further

Great job at doing shots from the same angle.

@UNN_Daedalos

Seems a little thin compared to the list i gave you

Half of which isn’t related to RU anyways.

@UNN_Daedalos

Yes, regrettable you can’t admit the same for KH38 MT though. This is a poor job at letting go of biases if i may

I would if you had any sources, but you don’t.

@UNN_Daedalos

Mistral and stingers had primary sources ? There’s no guesstimation anywhere.

And none stated the G load is maximum or average ?
I know if they actually did this discussion wouldn’t be taking place.

You basically value your assumption more than Gaijin’s which is fine, but don’t act uppity when others are also questioning your assumptions.

@UNN_Daedalos

We have proof AASM seeker is incorrect and uses LOAL, we have no proof of KH38MT ever existing as a complete weapon system.

Overperforming seeker that vastly increases it’s performance in the game.
We have proof of that and that’s about it.

[MotorolaCRO]

It’s not rocket science, if you have a document that explicitly states Stinger has 20G on average then post it already.

Until then I’m looking at the age old problem of “my assumption is better than yours”.

[MotorolaCRO]

Report has been submitted internally by Gunjob and his reasoning is posted in the Hammer thread.

[H_ngma]

Yeah found it. So its a bandaid solution by gaijin, because the real functionality is not in the game?

[MotorolaCRO]

Seeker activating at 1.5km away from the target could easily be reproduced by lowering the TRACK lock range to 1.5km.

[H_ngma]

And completely omit the first phase of the engagement?

[MotorolaCRO]

You mean flying straight towards predetermined place ?

[Farlexgamer_psn]

@UNN_Daedalos

R-77 double racks

They exist but not on between the engines.
Should actually be the most inner Wing pylons.
Basically su27SM should actually have the same or similar pylons layout as su33

[UNN_Daedalos]

@MotorolaCRO

Great job at doing shots from the same angle.

predictible

Spoiler

@MotorolaCRO

Half of which isn’t related to RU anyways.

Not all is exclusive to RU, but it’s all related to RU

@MotorolaCRO

And none stated the G load is maximum or average ?
I know if they actually did this discussion wouldn’t be taking place.

You basically value your assumption more than Gaijin’s which is fine, but don’t act uppity when others are also questioning your assumptions.

It doesn’t match because it can’t really hit targets in some set scenario. Mistral for example, should hit a target maneuvering 8G. It can in game, but only if your target is nice enough to be slow and going away from you

@MotorolaCRO

I would if you had any sources, but you don’t.

I don’t need sources. Asking someone to prove something doesn’t exist is a fallacy

I can say i have a Mach 10 hypersonic anti-everything missile in my garage.
Can you prove it does not exist ?
No ? Then Gaijin when ?

@MotorolaCRO

Overperforming seeker that vastly increases it’s performance in the game.
We have proof of that and that’s about it.

Not it’s not about it, even if you insist on turning a blind eye to what doesn’t suit you.

[H_ngma]

Yeah that part

@Gunjob

• Uses TGP to upload target data for a tank at a specific location.
• Comes into LOAL range.

[MotorolaCRO]

LOAL isn’t a thing in the game nor is the interaction between GNSS and IR.
Which is why we have POINT tracking for IR missiles and that’s a bandaid for LOAL.

[UNN_Daedalos]

@MotorolaCRO

LOAL isn’t a thing in the game nor is the interaction between GNSS and IR.

Kind of is on laser guided AASM’s and 38MLs though, isn’t it ?

[UniqueScorpions-live]

@__Renzo__

@UniqueScorpions-live

I literally can’t think of any other 8.3 Soviet vehicle.

IS-7

@UniqueScorpions-live

T-10M (really crap)

Nah sorry this is cap.

@UniqueScorpions-live

Uh no…?
USA gets:
M3 Bradley
Xm246
T58
T54E1
M60A2
M60 AOS
F-86-F-35
A-2D-1

Like I said, more than half of these are nothing special, just decent.

T58 and XM246 are the only special ones.

There’s maybe 100 people that own the IS-7

The reload on the T-10M makes it ineffective, and one shot by heat (thanks to how gaijin places ammo in Soviet tanks aka everywhere) means you get 1 tapped all the time.

Also your sleeping on the A-2D, and the M60a2 my guy.

[MotorolaCRO]

@UNN_Daedalos

I don’t need sources. Asking someone to prove something doesn’t exist is a fallacy

It isn’t in this case.
Projects are getting cancelled as we speak, it’s nothing out of the ordinary.

@UNN_Daedalos

I can say i have a Mach 10 hypersonic anti-everything missile in my garage.
Can you prove it does not exist ?
No ? Then Gaijin when ?

When you provide mockups/prototypes and sales brochures ?

@UNN_Daedalos

Not it’s not about it, even if you insist on turning a blind eye to what doesn’t suit you.

It pretty much is.

[H_ngma]

@MotorolaCRO

LOAL isn’t a thing in the game nor is the interaction between GNSS and IR.
Which is why we have POINT tracking for IR missiles and that’s a bandaid for LOAL.

@H_ngma_

So its a bandaid solution by gaijin, because the real functionality is not in the game?

So i was right with my inital question then?

[MotorolaCRO]

Aircraft can provide laser guidance to the missile, meanwhile IR missiles are on their own.
POINT tracking is the very simplified solution to LOAL for IR missiles.

[MotorolaCRO]

IR Hammer isn’t the only thing that uses LOAL, so I don’t see why it wouldn’t get it’s seeker nerfed if it’s literally proven it’s highly overperforming.

Bandaid has already been provided by POINT tracking.

[H_ngma]

I agree, if the Brimstone gets laser guidance because Gaijin doesnt want to add LOAL the AASM should also get only Laser guidance.
However comparing the bandaid fix for the Hammer thats only based in Gaijin laziness to a fake seeker that might not even be able to be used by the SU30 is quite far fetched

[UNN_Daedalos]

you can shoot a laser missile through GPS and make it acquire later. LOAL doesn’t exist for IR missiles yes, but it kind of exist in game for laser weaponry at least

In any case, LOAL Hammer wouldn’t be needed if KH was removed

@MotorolaCRO

Projects are getting cancelled as we speak, it’s nothing out of the ordinary.

Projects cancelled yes, so no missile ? Usually the project phase occurs before the object of said project is ready to be deployed / produced

Or maybe time is reversed in Russia ?

@MotorolaCRO

When you provide mockups/prototypes and sales brochures ?

You don’t fire a missile with pretty models and sale brochures, if i may

But even I could provide a model and a brochure with enough time and some determination lmao.

As for prototypes, i think you are getting carried away, we have no proof of a prototype ever existing, and no documentation on it being fired in any test

[MotorolaCRO]

@H_ngma_

I agree, if the Brimstone gets laser guidance because Gaijin doesnt want to add LOAL the AASM should also get only Laser guidance.

Gaijin implements LOAL with POINT tracking, the problem with Brimstones is the radar seeker which isn’t something we have in the game.

@H_ngma_

However comparing the bandaid fix for the Hammer thats only based in Gaijin laziness

This isn’t bandaid fix, POINT tracking is. The fact you can get a POINT track 20-30-40km away is a clear sign of that, as IR seekers don’t activate at those distances and is a half-assed LOAL mechanic.
Even with LOAL fully modelled, IR Hammer wouldn’t be able to track anything beyond 1.5km of range, thus lowering it’s effectiveness by a ton.