Russian Teams Steamrolling NATO - Top Tier is Broken Again?

[MotorolaCRO]

@UNN_Daedalos

The compensation with the LOAL mechanic is realistic.

AGMs don’t have LOAL modelled, so they all suffer from that.
My point still stands.

@UNN_Daedalos

If half your crew is dead, that’s quite conditional

And when the condition is met your performance drops off of a cliff, as taking 20-30s to reload isn’t something you’d want to have.

@UNN_Daedalos

We went over this for far too long, i’ll let you spin around on the issue alone if you will

Glad we can agree IR Hammer in the game is a work of fiction, and a proven one at that.

@UNN_Daedalos

Yes they do

Not the same angle. Try again.

@UNN_Daedalos

It’s basically some obscure principle invented by the devs at this point, and on no missile would you advertise an average load. A customer doesn’t care about such technical details

Nor do Gaijin cares what you think manufacturers would or would not advertise.
It’s literally your guesstimation against theirs.

@UNN_Daedalos

going full WoT is indeed an issue, let’s go realistic

KH38 removed
AASM seeker fixed to 1.5km with LOAL

We have proof AASM has fictional seeker, unlike for 38MT.
Once you find a proof we can talk, so until then IR Hammer is the true work of fiction here.

[Alpharius11348]

@AlvisWisla

Su-35 has Kh-38s.
Su-30SM is allegedly at or above Su-35 standards for the avionics system with no proof to counter the manufacturer’s claim.

doesnt matter by gaijins standards

[strzelec213]

@UNN_Daedalos

KH38 removed

They are being used in VKS on Su-34 in current war, so why would they remove something which is in service(I’m talking about Kh-38ML). Kh-38ML/MT should be removed from Su-25SM3 and Su-30SM. And MT from entire game

[AlvisWisla]

Read the full post.
Sukhoi AND Kh-38’s manufacturer both claim that Kh-38s are compatible with both Su-35 and Su-30SM.

Those Smin posts are entirely irrelevant to this topic and my posts as they address something entirely different.

I’d love to see an Su-30SM manual, but they are classified so that won’t be happening.
And much like France, Russia doesn’t equip full loadouts to their jets to show off loadouts.

[MotorolaCRO]

@Alpharius11348

it does not at all, it confirms that kh38me is a program but there is nothing to prove that a MTE version has ever been in development

MTE is directly being mentioned in the brochure.

@Alpharius11348

no they do not, gaijin just ignores them because they dont fit with there NATO cant make anything better than russia logic

Yes they do, it’s actually sad how some can’t see with their fully functioning eyes (I hope).
Your logic is also immensely flawed as we already have NATO stuff that is better than RU in the game.

If your logic was so sound as you think it is, DM53 wouldn’t be performing better than 3BM60 and many other cases being true as well. Try different arguments, this is honestly embarrassing to read.

[MotorolaCRO]

That definitely isn’t a laser seeker.

[Alpharius11348]

they are relevant because they dont specify which sub variants of su35 or su30sm

as such they dont mean anything

[Alpharius11348]

@MotorolaCRO

Yes they do, it’s actually sad how some can’t see with their fully functioning eyes (I hope).
Your logic is also immensely flawed as we already have NATO stuff that is better than RU in the game.

If your logic was so sound as you think it is, DM53 wouldn’t be performing better than 3BM60 and many other cases being true as well. Try different arguments, this is honestly embarrassing to read.

that was exactly the reasoning behind stingers being artificially nerfed though, they said that because igla cant do that stinger cant either and we will ignore all evidence that it can

[MotorolaCRO]

They made that statement as there was no concrete evidence that the specified G load is maximum or average.

[strzelec213]

@AlvisWisla

The laser one has a grid, uses a different translucent head, and isn’t angled downward.

look at the components inside the seeker.

@AlvisWisla

Su-30SM is allegedly at or above Su-35 standards for the avionics system with no proof to counter the manufacturer’s claim.

No it’s not, even Su-30SM2 doesn’t have full avionics from Su-35S.

@AlvisWisla

Su-35 would still have Kh-38MTs when added

No it shouldn’t. Russian MoD and observers posted only photos with mockup of Kh-38M family on the aircraft. In service they don’t use other A2G missile than Kh-31PM.

[Alpharius11348]

lmao, no they didnt they decided to ignore sources including some that clearly state average G loading because of their biases

[strzelec213]

it’s the same missile on the same display, on the body you can see the name Х-38МЭ

[MotorolaCRO]

Not a single source explicitly stated the G load was average.
Present me with one and I’ll change my mind.

[Alpharius11348]

there is also further out images that show it has a sign for MLE infront of it

[MotorolaCRO]

@strzelec213

it’s the same missile on the same display, on the body you can see the name Х-38МЭ

38ME being the marking for a family of modular missiles that are meant to be exported.
That isn’t the laser seeker.

[Alpharius11348]

heres a pretty good rundown on how stupid it is

Why Gaijin is wrong about the Stinger (it should be 20g in game)

As everyone knows Gaijin recently posted a dev blog explaining their decision to give the Stinger a 13g overload in game. Their view is that the Stinger uses single channel control (which is correct), and that the documents giving a maximum overload of 20-22 g “indicate the peak overload achieved at the moment when the rudders are in the manoeuvre plane” and that as a result the average overload of the missile will be 63% of the peak overload (13 g). It is the second part of their reasoning I ta…

[Alpharius11348]

@MotorolaCRO

That isn’t the laser seeker.

and there is no evidence that it is a functional IR seeker like you claim

[strzelec213]

And i might know why gaijin decided to add Kh-38M to Su-30SM, the same brochure which we all know had caption saying something about future integrations. There was Su-25, Su-30MK etc and gaijin probably thinks that if older model could or was proposed to carry them so the newer one can do the same

Also pylons for Kh-38M family are the same as those for Kh-29 missile AKU-58AE so technically Su-30SM can carry them on the same pylons as Kh-29 but we don’t know if VKS integrated missile with the aircraft. Is that logic stupid? Of course it is. Do i agree with that? Of course not.

[Alpharius11348]

@strzelec213

Also pylons for Kh-38M family are the same as those for Kh-29 missile AKU-58AE so technically Su-30SM can carry them on the same pylons as Kh-29 but we don’t know if VKS integrated missile with the aircraft. Is that logic stupid? Of course it is. Do i agree with that? Of course not.

it also doesnt matter because its not enough evidence for its addition

[MotorolaCRO]

I am making this post to explain why in my view the source giving 20 g for the Stinger missile is almost certainly referring to what Gaijin call “average overload”, rather than the “peak overload” as they claim.

Stopped reading there as he’s basically fighting assumptions with more assumptions.